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I wanted to suggest to make mystery boxes with fort stones for this server. I payed now few times and got literally nothing for the money i put in this server.   170 ec  158 blue ec and 103 gold ec = 3 ultramarine stones with 10% and guess what happend they all failed ofc. In awaken server you knew exactly that your money will be usefull, if you want to pay for the game ofc. You knew exactly that you will get something for the REAL money you put in your account, in classic server you donate 100 dollar get tons of ec play altar and you need to pray that you will get after 100 ec atleast 1 safetystone like wtf. I know you can just farm gold and buy the stones or sell the ec you get and then buy the stones BUT therates are so low the prices are so high the server is super rng based p2w and you cant even get a weapon to +10 after spending 100 dollar unless youre lucky. In offcial server you had to pay ALOT more to get something thats right but atleast you knew there if you pay that much you will get stuff to improve your gear for sure, so why you dont make it like that just with vendetta prices ? Why you dont give us more chance to upgrade our stuff  ? Rich ppl will now become only more rich, there are already ppl running around telling others they reached 100k+ gold and showing off their+10 gear. I used like 20 lucky safety stones and i got after that a +4 purple staff not even fking +6. The prices are dumb too you cant get as casual enough money to keep up with ppl who sell ecs for real money its just not possible. I farmed today with loot charms in highlands for 1h and i got 900g, cool that sounds alot for this server but a ultramarine stone cost 800g .... wow seems like as casual i have to spend the whole day farming in highlands or 0/10 to get few safetystones with 10%. So the server is already pretty pay 2 win then make it full p2w and give us boxes with safety stones so i know i will get something for the money i put in your server and dont have to pray to god that i will get atleast 1 safety stone after 100 ec.

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You've already mentioned what you should have done instead of rolling altar. if your ultimate goal was to fort your gears, you should have simply sold your ecs and stacked on lucky ss then you can fort them.  I am not saying that having mystery boxes on this server is bad I am just saying you chose to gamble with your real money instead of just selling the ECs and bought lucky ss. I understand how expensive stones are but so are ECs, you can legit sell the ECs for 80-100 if you're patient enough

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The point is that the rates on the altar are shitty how you can call that normal in a fking p server that ppl need over 170 ecs for 3 safety stones, thats just hilarious. You litterally pay for RNG in this server unlike awaken server and offical where you know for what youre paying. 

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The prices aren't set by us they're set by the players and with the amount of gold being generated right now on the server it's no suprise prices are high on many items.

Considering in Aeria server you had to pay roughly $250~$300 to +14 something with Tiered Spender and such and 20 Eden Crystals costing like $20~$30 you're forgetting the simple fact of scale. Where as in our server between the same amount you're getting 200 Eden Crystals.

Our rates are better in all areas than their altar in all aspects. They have 80~90% Gold EC Rates ours never even break 50%. They have Eden Crystals that are 10x the price as us, rates that are idek how to measure how worse they are not even mentioning how their jackpot items are 0.0001% rates.

But no, their better than us because they have a $300 tiered spender that guarantee's you a +14 weapon lol.

 

Just remember if you're going to suggest something. Make it a suggestion. Don't just cry and moan about having bad RNG.

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If im allowed to say something :3

I think for a "Classic" Server we can farm a really good amount of money every day.

And if i be honest, i have those days too, where im too lazy to do anything, but thats totally normal. And if you are one of those lucky people who can save the farmed money for the items you really want and need, it can be so easy.

I myself spend a lot of money inbetween to buy EC's from other players to play a bit Altar, and even if i dont get what i want, its still a little bit of " having fun and relaxing" and i think its a good little variety  between the hardcore farming. :3

I played EE Official for around 4 Years since Open Beta start and ofc EE Awaken Vendetta and compared to the official server of Aeria/x-Legend, i prefer this one here, its a way more comfortable and even if there are a few disputes ingame between players or guilds, i really like the atmosphere here. 

People are kind and mostly willing to help and the vendetta stuff always tries to do everything they can, to make us happy with the game and its content. 

Thanks at this point to the stuff btw. 

 

Regards

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so my suggestion to make a mystery box for safetystones doesnt count as suggestion i see xD . Still a fact that this is a p2w server you can tell me what ever you want idk what happend maybe you need money or something jordan idc tbh but dont act like this is fair for casuals. You literally pay for RNG here nothing more and the prices are so high because its HARD to land on the stuff so its rare and ofc they sell it for shitty prices :) but yea i guess i just have to buy another 200 ecs to get maybe 2 stones like today

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42 minutes ago, naru said:

You literally pay for RNG here nothing more

 

42 minutes ago, naru said:

but yea i guess i just have to buy another 200 ecs to get maybe 2 stones like today

This is so disgustingly wrong that i'm kinda lost for words. As others here said you CHOSE to spend your money on gambling instead of just selling the ECs/Eternal points. Let say you sell 200 ECs for a normal price of 60g each(you can get way more out of it if you know how to sell properly a bit), making it 12k Gold. For the gigabrains sake let's say you buy Safety Stones at 1k each, still making it 12 Safety Stones you SAFELY GET WITHOUT ANY GAMBLING OR RISK AT ALL. That's a money-to-outcome increase of a whopping 500% to your current way of cashing. I can only congratulate the server on people with that mindset of yours, since yall keep the server alive for pretty long.

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7 hours ago, naru said:

so my suggestion to make a mystery box for safetystones doesnt count as suggestion i see xD . Still a fact that this is a p2w server you can tell me what ever you want idk what happend maybe you need money or something jordan idc tbh but dont act like this is fair for casuals. You literally pay for RNG here nothing more and the prices are so high because its HARD to land on the stuff so its rare and ofc they sell it for shitty prices :) but yea i guess i just have to buy another 200 ecs to get maybe 2 stones like today

It doesnt count as a suggestion as it was 14 words of your long block of text that was just a big rage. It wasn't even in the title of the post and there was no information given. It was just a comment followed by a massive wall of text of complaining.

All I'm going to say is you're playing the altar wrong. I'm not going to explain how to play it right and to be quite honest if you know what you're doing you can sit in Aven all day rolling altar then selling what you get, buying more Eden Crystals and repeat. We ran multiple tests on this altar and the rates never change only the position of the items do.

You mentioned that you only got to +4 with 20 Lucky Safety Stones. I find that hard to believe considering it took me 16/8/12 Regular Safety Stone to +6 when I tested it last night. So clearly you even have the worst luck imaginable or you're just exaggerating the problem. My guess is on the latter to be honest as I just don't see a world where it takes 16 stones to fort 2 levels that one is better than 50% odds of success. I also got 11 Regular Safety Stones in 170 Eden Crystals. Are you even building up the success rate or are you just throwing 1 stone at a time at it cause theres another question you didn't happen to mention.

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Spamming the altar is my game. I figured after the Tritium Scroll altar and today's altar, compared to the previous one's before the tritium scroll. Drop rate's were high. But today the drop rate especially for the stones were low. May we ask if the rate was lowered? Thanks!

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Rates are never changed. The only time I changed it since the server opened was to change the rate of the second prime on the weekend altar. Other than that and some of the lower items like dyes and memory tomes and stuff nothing gets changed. Lucky Stones are always the same and so ware the regular safetys (unless they're in the first 3 rows).

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13 minutes ago, trancyy said:

Spamming the altar is my game. I figured after the Tritium Scroll altar and today's altar, compared to the previous one's before the tritium scroll. Drop rate's were high. But today the drop rate especially for the stones were low. May we ask if the rate was lowered? Thanks!

2 hours ago, Jordan said:

It doesnt count as a suggestion as it was 14 words of your long block of text that was just a big rage. It wasn't even in the title of the post and there was no information given. It was just a comment followed by a massive wall of text of complaining.

All I'm going to say is you're playing the altar wrong. I'm not going to explain how to play it right and to be quite honest if you know what you're doing you can sit in Aven all day rolling altar then selling what you get, buying more Eden Crystals and repeat. We ran multiple tests on this altar and the rates never change only the position of the items do.

You mentioned that you only got to +4 with 20 Lucky Safety Stones. I find that hard to believe considering it took me 16/8/12 Regular Safety Stone to +6 when I tested it last night. So clearly you even have the worst luck imaginable or you're just exaggerating the problem. My guess is on the latter to be honest as I just don't see a world where it takes 16 stones to fort 2 levels that one is better than 50% odds of success. I also got 11 Regular Safety Stones in 170 Eden Crystals. Are you even building up the success rate or are you just throwing 1 stone at a time at it cause theres another question you didn't happen to mention.

The rate to land on stones is very low and ppl here just dont get my point, telling me to sell the ecs to get 12k for 12 stones like wtf . 12 10% stones 1k ea........ If the landrate would be so good like Jordan told us ppl would land way more often on the stones and the price would not be so ridiculous tbh. But the rate is just trash you simply just pay for RNG 90% failrate stones with a ridiculous price and low landrate on altar compared to awaken server where you knew exactly if you buy ec with your real money you will get something for it . I would rather to pay everytime money for fortification boxes on the website then playing this trash altars or sell all my ec to buy stones for 1k ea with 10%. The server is already pay to win so there is no reason to not make it even more pay to win tbh, with that rates you showed us that you want to drain money i mean im fine with that eden is i guess kinda your job then make it more worth to pay for this server .

 

 

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Just now, naru said:

The rate to land on stones is very low and ppl here just dont get my point, telling me to sell the ecs to get 12k for 12 stones like wtf . 12 10% stones 1k ea........ If the landrate would be so good like Jordan told us ppl would land way more often on the stones and the price would not be so ridiculous tbh. But the rate is just trash you simply just pay for RNG 90% failrate stones with a ridiculous price and low landrate on altar compared to awaken server where you knew exactly if you buy ec with your real money you will get something for it . I would rather to pay everytime money for fortification boxes on the website then playing this trash altars or sell all my ec to buy stones for 1k ea with 10%. The server is already pay to win so there is no reason to not make it even more pay to win tbh, with that rates you showed us that you want to drain money i mean im fine with that eden is i guess kinda your job then make it more worth to pay for this server .

Well clearly you're just fighting a battle for sake of it at this point.

For a start he didn't specifically say to buy the stones at 1k he just rounded it up to an easier number I presume for quick math sake. I never said the landrate would be "more often" at all. I specifically said the rates for stones would be rare and classes as a semi-jackpot item unlike our awaken server. This is something I've been saying since day 1.

Also clearly you're not thinking when you make these arguements as the stones aren't 90% fail rate at all as its +10% to the base rate and not just 10% success chance. At +6 going to +7 its a 14% and each fail increases the chance by 0.150% and +7 going to +8 its a 12% chance and each fail increases the chance by 0.040%.

I do like how you latch on to anything negative people say and complete disregard what positives people say in any reply to you on these forums. If you want better chance stones make a proper suggestion or go for rankings or save your cash to buy them overpriced when rankings launch. Any more nonsense and i'll just lock the thread because all this seems to be is you being dealt bad RNG and you're not happy.

Also idk about the German server but I know when I played the US server there was none of these fortification boxes you're talking about. Only time there was any boxes with stones on them where Tiered spender boxes that you had to pre-spend atleast $100 to get a single stone.

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8 hours ago, Jordan said:

Well clearly you're just fighting a battle for sake of it at this point.

For a start he didn't specifically say to buy the stones at 1k he just rounded it up to an easier number I presume for quick math sake. I never said the landrate would be "more often" at all. I specifically said the rates for stones would be rare and classes as a semi-jackpot item unlike our awaken server. This is something I've been saying since day 1.

Also clearly you're not thinking when you make these arguements as the stones aren't 90% fail rate at all as its +10% to the base rate and not just 10% success chance. At +6 going to +7 its a 14% and each fail increases the chance by 0.150% and +7 going to +8 its a 12% chance and each fail increases the chance by 0.040%.

I do like how you latch on to anything negative people say and complete disregard what positives people say in any reply to you on these forums. If you want better chance stones make a proper suggestion or go for rankings or save your cash to buy them overpriced when rankings launch. Any more nonsense and i'll just lock the thread because all this seems to be is you being dealt bad RNG and you're not happy.

Also idk about the German server but I know when I played the US server there was none of these fortification boxes you're talking about. Only time there was any boxes with stones on them where Tiered spender boxes that you had to pre-spend atleast $100 to get a single stone.

I didnt say a single time that it only cost 100 euro/dollar to buy such a box in german server i said if you payed there you exactly knew what you will get and for 450 euro you got a fortification box. I know thats alot of money and none said you have to take the same price like the offical server but there was a box/reward in tired spender and there still is a reward like that in tired spender. What ever i could discuss with you the whole day but i know that wont change anything. 

 

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21 minutes ago, naru said:

I didnt say a single time that it only cost 100 euro/dollar to buy such a box in german server i said if you payed there you exactly knew what you will get and for 450 euro you got a fortification box. I know thats alot of money and none said you have to take the same price like the offical server but there was a box/reward in tired spender and there still is a reward like that in tired spender. What ever i could discuss with you the whole day but i know that wont change anything.

Wont change because of your attitude. You don't make suggestions you just rage and complain.

If you want to get somewhere like I said make a suggestion, just mentioning about Mystery Boxes and then going on a couple hundred word rant about how bad your luck on altar doesn't come across as a suggestion. Just saying.

You want boxes? Suggest what boxes to make? You want tiered spender? Suggest what tiers you would like to see.

Nobody cares how many Safety Stones you got in 170 Eden Crystals. That could be a reason or a justification but having a rant about it is just a waste of everyones time.

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2 hours ago, Jordan said:

Wont change because of your attitude. You don't make suggestions you just rage and complain.

If you want to get somewhere like I said make a suggestion, just mentioning about Mystery Boxes and then going on a couple hundred word rant about how bad your luck on altar doesn't come across as a suggestion. Just saying.

You want boxes? Suggest what boxes to make? You want tiered spender? Suggest what tiers you would like to see.

Nobody cares how many Safety Stones you got in 170 Eden Crystals. That could be a reason or a justification but having a rant about it is just a waste of everyones time.

As you said "that could be a reason or a justification" to increase the landrate OR make boxes i cant give you examples what you should put in the boxes just go in eden eternal offical website look at the fortification box put the same items in and sell them for your own price or just get some inspirations or make it better than aeria did. Or make a tired spender from 10 usd to 100 usd with items or make costom safetystones with 25% and 50% fort chance and sell them in mysteryboxes like the costumes in awaken server (i mean the mystery boxes)

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I feel like you've just had a bad experience with your funds and are taking it out on us. I think it's unfair to try and compare our Awaken rates to Classic when we're trying to achieve a different goal here. If you want Awaken rates then go play the Awaken server, go and spend the same amount of money on Aeria right now and then come spend the same here let me know your outcome.

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1 hour ago, Bash said:

I feel like you've just had a bad experience with your funds and are taking it out on us. I think it's unfair to try and compare our Awaken rates to Classic when we're trying to achieve a different goal here. If you want Awaken rates then go play the Awaken server, go and spend the same amount of money on Aeria right now and then come spend the same here let me know your outcome.

IF the offical server would release content i would rather to spend there money but theyre dead so i dont have a reason to go back which doesnt change the fact that youre paying in classic server for rng unlinke awaken server or offical server. I made my suggestion in my last post but i know you guys wont change something unless more ppl cry about the prices so we are done here :)

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I won't insult you but as a man who work 24/7 in comptability and have a diploma in economy you are clearly not in the right to complain, you need to realize some information.

First of all, when classic server got release, ton of rich and old awaken player spend ton of gold for vgn code, I even have a friend who bought for 500$ of vgn code. Imagine if the rate on those stone would be high like you want them ? It mean my friend would alrdy have a full set +14 and weapon +14 and will still own some ec to sell stone. But what would happen now ? Every other rich player will own some stone to sell and full gear and what will happen ? Economy is the same as real life so here the 2 possibility

 

1. Lot of stone in sells but rich player gotta pill gold so it sell high

2. Lot of stone and player are alrdy rich as hell so price low. If price is low every item will get their price lower but cosmetic for the simple reason everyone will be gear.

If only cosmetic get up it mean ec will be an ez 300g ea meaning costume prime will be at least 30k making the game pay to win for real.

 

Now let see what happen right now and what you actually did wrong.

Player who bough vgn get most of stuff done but still need to grind for every class and still need to grind stone meankng stone has a medium high price but legit for the time you gotta grind (let not forget it classic but you still grind less then the real og classic server). The idea of selling ec was the best option, personally I spent 120$ on server and got full +10 and full prime but for 4-5 class meaning I gotta grind the rest. I still buy some items in shop and I don't own ton of gold. P.S I sold all my ec.

 

RNG is 99% never the solution. Altar is a legit gaming casino and you just go into this dangerous circle of I need to spend more cause i'll win.

 

TL:DR : Economy would get fuck and grinding useless if rate get higher because old player that started classic bought vgn code with awaken gold meaning there is alrdy ton of stone in economy and ton of everything. Rolling EC isn't a good idea knowing you could fix get what you need selling these since price is alrdy fine and item arent extra expensive. I like cookie and I recrut in Awaken Server #Kingdom PvE Guild OP #Add xMaDLhLx

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1 hour ago, naru said:

IF the offical server would release content i would rather to spend there money but theyre dead so i dont have a reason to go back which doesnt change the fact that youre paying in classic server for rng unlinke awaken server or offical server. I made my suggestion in my last post but i know you guys wont change something unless more ppl cry about the prices so we are done here :)

What are you talking about? Lol.

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45 minutes ago, MaD2210 said:

@naru

I won't insult you but as a man who work 24/7 in comptability and have a diploma in economy you are clearly not in the right to complain, you need to realize some information.

First of all, when classic server got release, ton of rich and old awaken player spend ton of gold for vgn code, I even have a friend who bought for 500$ of vgn code. Imagine if the rate on those stone would be high like you want them ? It mean my friend would alrdy have a full set +14 and weapon +14 and will still own some ec to sell stone. But what would happen now ? Every other rich player will own some stone to sell and full gear and what will happen ? Economy is the same as real life so here the 2 possibility

 

1. Lot of stone in sells but rich player gotta pill gold so it sell high

2. Lot of stone and player are alrdy rich as hell so price low. If price is low every item will get their price lower but cosmetic for the simple reason everyone will be gear.

If only cosmetic get up it mean ec will be an ez 300g ea meaning costume prime will be at least 30k making the game pay to win for real.

 

Now let see what happen right now and what you actually did wrong.

Player who bough vgn get most of stuff done but still need to grind for every class and still need to grind stone meankng stone has a medium high price but legit for the time you gotta grind (let not forget it classic but you still grind less then the real og classic server). The idea of selling ec was the best option, personally I spent 120$ on server and got full +10 and full prime but for 4-5 class meaning I gotta grind the rest. I still buy some items in shop and I don't own ton of gold. P.S I sold all my ec.

 

RNG is 99% never the solution. Altar is a legit gaming casino and you just go into this dangerous circle of I need to spend more cause i'll win.

 

TL:DR : Economy would get fuck and grinding useless if rate get higher because old player that started classic bought vgn code with awaken gold meaning there is alrdy ton of stone in economy and ton of everything. Rolling EC isn't a good idea knowing you could fix get what you need selling these since price is alrdy fine and item arent extra expensive. I like cookie and I recrut in Awaken Server #Kingdom PvE Guild OP #Add xMaDLhLx

yea youre right its allways rng but classic server is RNG on a another level XD and even if that would kill the economy then they could just let the altar how it is  and make like i suggested mystery boxes with stones OR a tiered spender for vgn points :) i spended  alot of money for vendetta and dont get me wrong i dont regret that but after seeing how useless it is to spend money in classic server cuz i literally didnt get anything and yea thats my own bad rng. I just wont spend money anymore and before jordan or bash says now "we dont care if you dont spend money, many others still spend money for vgn" yes ik but i wont do it anymore and i dont care what others do thats not my business tho.

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