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tl;dr ver: I'm an adult now with adult responsibilities, would like new ways of getting warstones consistnely.
tl;dr revised: Work schedule gets in the way of doing things that grant warstones, and I want a new method getting them reliably everyday.


Basically, my work schedule means that I have to be very lucky to log in in time to do things like gvg or tw, and even arena too for the most part, since I work wednesday through sunday, with mondays and tuesdays being my days off. Since mondays and tuesdays are my free days, and theyre also normal business days, Im pretty much required to schedule things for normal business hours instead of taking time off work to do them.. This is a problem because it means that unless I straight up buy other players glory gift bags, I'm lucky to get 10 warstones per week, which means getting capes done is pretty much not feasible, which is also a problem for the achievements that require warstones. 

 

Now, just buying the glory bags wouldnt be an issue, but in comes the second part, I dont really have time to dump into the game nearly as much as I used to. Farming limiteds, selling a run, doing arena dailies, they all work, but with an hour to play the game with per day, I pretty much have to decide if its worth the gamble on doign one of the arenas assuming theyre up when i log in, or running limiteds, or selling runs. . Really puts a damper on things.It puts me in a position where if I really want to get achievements done before the server dies, ill have to dump money into the game to buy warstone bags, which i'd gladly do, if I wasn't an adult with responsibilities to deal with.

 

So that brings me here, to see what can be done about this in a way thats reasonable and fair.
Warstone polys freeze their timer while offline, and its not really worth it from a cost standpoint to leave the game running all day so that when i get a chance to click a button and then go back to adulting. 
Dailies work, if theyre up when I have time to play.
Gold farming works, but then kills my desire to play for a couple days after.
Selling runs works, but then im stuck needing to find a buyer which eats up my time.
 

I get that it's hard figuring out a balanced way to make things work for me, while also still being balanced for everyone, but im afraid that if I can't come up with a way to get warstones at a reasonable consistent rate, my options will be to just give up on the legendary achievement,give someone else my login in so they can do shit for me while im busy being an adult, or just pretty much drop the game till content I want comes out, dump money ot fast track to what I want, neglect responsibilities for a couple days to get my fill, and then get back into the same pattern because my builds are incomplete due to achievements.

I'm open to discussion and ideas, but I dont really know where to start.

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It's not really necessary, I understand that you have less time but, the best solutions for with War Stone at the moment are: Participate in TW only do the quests (if you have time to stay until the end) Participate in GvG with your guild to have GGB (keep buying them) Do the Daily Arena Quests, and above all you can buy the War Stone Poly. Don't forget that the server is brand new, take your time to do your Achievement. Especially as few people actually make the Achievement Cape.

Maybe later if we add the Gem Altar there might be some War Stone available with it, to help you more.

Before anyone claims the parry achievement is worth the trouble, at this level of play it just isn't that worth it.

Don't forget that we are also on a classic server, we can't simplify everything unfortunately.

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6 minutes ago, Herakles said:

It's not really necessary, I understand that you have less time but, the best solutions for with War Stone at the moment are: Participate in TW only do the quests (if you have time to stay until the end) Participate in GvG with your guild to have GGB (keep buying them) Do the Daily Arena Quests, and above all you can buy the War Stone Poly. Don't forget that the server is brand new, take your time to do your Achievement. Especially as few people actually make the Achievement Cape.

Maybe later if we add the Gem Altar there might be some War Stone available with it, to help you more.

Before anyone claims the parry achievement is worth the trouble, at this level of play it just isn't that worth it.

Don't forget that we are also on a classic server, we can't simplify everything unfortunately.

I see you didn't read what I said beyond the tl;dr, I appreciate your reply though.

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On 7/9/2020 at 4:22 AM, Anagram said:

tl;dr ver: I'm an adult now with adult responsibilities, would like new ways of getting warstones consistnely.
tl;dr revised: Work schedule gets in the way of doing things that grant warstones, and I want a new method getting them reliably everyday.


Basically, my work schedule means that I have to be very lucky to log in in time to do things like gvg or tw, and even arena too for the most part, since I work wednesday through sunday, with mondays and tuesdays being my days off. Since mondays and tuesdays are my free days, and theyre also normal business days, Im pretty much required to schedule things for normal business hours instead of taking time off work to do them.. This is a problem because it means that unless I straight up buy other players glory gift bags, I'm lucky to get 10 warstones per week, which means getting capes done is pretty much not feasible, which is also a problem for the achievements that require warstones. 

 

Now, just buying the glory bags wouldnt be an issue, but in comes the second part, I dont really have time to dump into the game nearly as much as I used to. Farming limiteds, selling a run, doing arena dailies, they all work, but with an hour to play the game with per day, I pretty much have to decide if its worth the gamble on doign one of the arenas assuming theyre up when i log in, or running limiteds, or selling runs. . Really puts a damper on things.It puts me in a position where if I really want to get achievements done before the server dies, ill have to dump money into the game to buy warstone bags, which i'd gladly do, if I wasn't an adult with responsibilities to deal with.

 

So that brings me here, to see what can be done about this in a way thats reasonable and fair.
Warstone polys freeze their timer while offline, and its not really worth it from a cost standpoint to leave the game running all day so that when i get a chance to click a button and then go back to adulting. 
Dailies work, if theyre up when I have time to play.
Gold farming works, but then kills my desire to play for a couple days after.
Selling runs works, but then im stuck needing to find a buyer which eats up my time.
 

I get that it's hard figuring out a balanced way to make things work for me, while also still being balanced for everyone, but im afraid that if I can't come up with a way to get warstones at a reasonable consistent rate, my options will be to just give up on the legendary achievement,give someone else my login in so they can do shit for me while im busy being an adult, or just pretty much drop the game till content I want comes out, dump money ot fast track to what I want, neglect responsibilities for a couple days to get my fill, and then get back into the same pattern because my builds are incomplete due to achievements.

I'm open to discussion and ideas, but I dont really know where to start.

I've bad times as well, doing those "big pvp" would mean me not sleeping the night, wich is something that I can't do, while in the day I work. Luckily at least 3v3 and MBA comes in times when I'm usually preparing lunch or dinner so I can simply do them while doing those irl activities. These are problems that come with global servers. Since is a small part of the server having these problems they will probably do nothing to fix these problems since fixing them for us would mean ruining the experience of 75% of the players. Honestly just do like me, live with it and do what you can do. I'm getting less then 10 warstones per week and I'm an active 3v3 player almost half a week, getting 1 warstone per box xD

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On 7/12/2020 at 3:43 AM, AceFire said:

I've bad times as well, doing those "big pvp" would mean me not sleeping the night, wich is something that I can't do, while in the day I work. Luckily at least 3v3 and MBA comes in times when I'm usually preparing lunch or dinner so I can simply do them while doing those irl activities. These are problems that come with global servers. Since is a small part of the server having these problems they will probably do nothing to fix these problems since fixing them for us would mean ruining the experience of 75% of the players. Honestly just do like me, live with it and do what you can do. I'm getting less then 10 warstones per week and I'm an active 3v3 player almost half a week, getting 1 warstone per box xD

Man, i've got two days a week to MAYBE be able to do any TW or arenas. Only time I can do gvg is on the second match of saturday/sunday, and only if I get off work early AND if the guild im in makes it past the first or third matches, which rarely happens. If warstones were on the altar, or even gem altar, it wouldnt be an issue at all, because then i could go hard with gearaing classes instead of being softlocked into 2.

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33 minutes ago, Anagram said:

Man, i've got two days a week to MAYBE be able to do any TW or arenas. Only time I can do gvg is on the second match of saturday/sunday, and only if I get off work early AND if the guild im in makes it past the first or third matches, which rarely happens. If warstones were on the altar, or even gem altar, it wouldnt be an issue at all, because then i could go hard with gearaing classes instead of being softlocked into 2.

And people who already farm those a lot would have even more.

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1 hour ago, AceFire said:

And people who already farm those a lot would have even more.

thats not really a problem, I know someone will say "you cna buy ec with warstones", and to that I say "increase the warstone cost per ec from 10 to 50, 75, or even 100".

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i think we need an alternative way to get warstones, some quests like the monster battle arena quest cannot be done in certain days because nobody queues to mba or not enough people queues to arena at the time i am available mostly after weekdays tw and on weekends at night

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Don't think i've been able to log in at all in over a week at this point, so warstone gains have completely stopped. Granted, even if they were on altars, id still be getting 0 stones this week, but at least if they were I could log in for a couple minutes, spend some money on ap to get ec to roll for warstones when ive got time so that some kind of progress is being made. 

 

Who knows though, maybe by the time the content drops that matter to me actually happen things will have changed, or maybe i'll have just moved on, no real good way of telling, as even if they were on every altar, being unable to get good time to log in and roll, let alone actually play, makes it a pointless thought. The option for it would still be nice though, so I dont feel completely stalled in time.

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11 hours ago, Anagram said:

Don't think i've been able to log in at all in over a week at this point, so warstone gains have completely stopped. Granted, even if they were on altars, id still be getting 0 stones this week, but at least if they were I could log in for a couple minutes, spend some money on ap to get ec to roll for warstones when ive got time so that some kind of progress is being made. 

 

Who knows though, maybe by the time the content drops that matter to me actually happen things will have changed, or maybe i'll have just moved on, no real good way of telling, as even if they were on every altar, being unable to get good time to log in and roll, let alone actually play, makes it a pointless thought. The option for it would still be nice though, so I dont feel completely stalled in time.

They certainly wont be on altar.

Not sure what you want me to do about this cause regardless of anything I do if you can't even find the time to play the game for 30 mins then I feel like thats more a you issue than a game issue. As if someone can complete their cape achievements for loging in for a couple of mins then I may aswell just remove it entirely and just give it to people instantly.

To progress in a game you should make the time to play said game as thats kinda the point.

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On 7/26/2020 at 6:52 AM, Jordan said:

if you can't even find the time to play the game for 30 mins then I feel like thats more a you issue than a game issue

That's why i'm in the suggestions forum. What about a simple once-per-week thing that doesnt require hard scheduled times to accomplish? Not too dissimilar from the TW quests, do the quest, get a warstone chest or two, get a 168 hour debuff or something similar.

 

And I get it, you get a lot of flack from all directions, but i'm not an enemy, i'm just trying to push for a way that primarily me, and to a less selfish extent, other people in similar situations to mine, can still get some form of progress going when scheduling just doesn't line up.

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On 7/26/2020 at 2:52 PM, Jordan said:

They certainly wont be on altar.

Not sure what you want me to do about this cause regardless of anything I do if you can't even find the time to play the game for 30 mins then I feel like thats more a you issue than a game issue. As if someone can complete their cape achievements for loging in for a couple of mins then I may aswell just remove it entirely and just give it to people instantly.

To progress in a game you should make the time to play said game as thats kinda the point.

Well honestly the timezone of the server is really bad, I understand your point, but basically only people with -GMT can be competitive in this game, for all the rest GvG is in the night(2 AM for me and I know people who have to stay up till 6 AM to do it). TW is really late and for some people in the night as well, I do understand that is a global server and you can't give everything to everyone but hey they can go GvG/TW at a real nice time for them, like 6 p.m and 7 p.m and arena is literally after lunch for them, while we from the GMT+1 we have troubles even trying. Schedule of the PvP content if is not open 24/7 should be based on GMT+0 to give everyone accessibility. But well that's up to you. I'm not asking to change it, just saying the timezone isn't really fair. So I do understand why a lot of people complain about not getting warstones or not being able to do anything.

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46 minutes ago, AceFire said:

Well honestly the timezone of the server is really bad, I understand your point, but basically only people with -GMT can be competitive in this game, for all the rest GvG is in the night(2 AM for me and I know people who have to stay up till 6 AM to do it). TW is really late and for some people in the night as well, I do understand that is a global server and you can't give everything to everyone but hey they can go GvG/TW at a real nice time for them, like 6 p.m and 7 p.m and arena is literally after lunch for them, while we from the GMT+1 we have troubles even trying. Schedule of the PvP content if is not open 24/7 should be based on GMT+0 to give everyone accessibility. But well that's up to you. I'm not asking to change it, just saying the timezone isn't really fair. So I do understand why a lot of people complain about not getting warstones or not being able to do anything.

Times are based on the original US server which was the most diverse server in terms of players.

So the time is not "really bad" at all.

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2 hours ago, Jordan said:

Times are based on the original US server which was the most diverse server in terms of players.

So the time is not "really bad" at all.

Well I doubt staying up till 6 am to do a GvG is not "really bad". Also US server was just for USA, there was european server as well, german one and french one. I'm not saying that timezone should be based on those 2 (after all server location got moved to USA) but give a chance to everyone and not only USA if this server is global, a -2 hrs on pvp events would be nice honestly and wouldn't change anything for USA/Br players. They would still do those in the afternoon. And it would fix the times for most of the people complaining.

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13 minutes ago, AceFire said:

 

We had a TW that was 5-6 hours earlier than the current TW before on Awaken. On a good day the attendance was 5 people. In comparrison to the one that was at the current time of having 30-40 people on a bad day.

I've been playing with timezones for years and this is the best times you're going to get. The majority of South Americans cannot attend when you put it too early due to school and work, its easier for someone who actually wants to bother attending to stay up an extra hour or so than it is to get someone to get home from real life commitments such as work and school.

After double checking too the timezone is actually earlier than US server by 1hr on the latest GVG. Which again I will add the US server had the most diverse playerbase. Just because Aeria had FR severs and German servers a good handful of players from those regions op'd to play on the US server instead.

Just because it's convient for your group of friends doesn't make it more convient for everyone.

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3 hours ago, Jordan said:

We had a TW that was 5-6 hours earlier than the current TW before on Awaken. On a good day the attendance was 5 people. In comparrison to the one that was at the current time of having 30-40 people on a bad day.

I've been playing with timezones for years and this is the best times you're going to get. The majority of South Americans cannot attend when you put it too early due to school and work, its easier for someone who actually wants to bother attending to stay up an extra hour or so than it is to get someone to get home from real life commitments such as work and school.

After double checking too the timezone is actually earlier than US server by 1hr on the latest GVG. Which again I will add the US server had the most diverse playerbase. Just because Aeria had FR severs and German servers a good handful of players from those regions op'd to play on the US server instead.

Just because it's convient for your group of friends doesn't make it more convient for everyone.

That's why I said 1 or 2 hr earlier and not 5-6 horus, also staying up till 6 AM is really not a thing and I don't understand how can they be at school at 7 p.m, , and is not convenient for my group of friends, is to fix all these problems of people constantly asking for additional warstones cause for sure timezone is a problem for most of them if they don't live in US.

Honestly I don't care if you do change it or not, probably you won't. Was just an advice to get rid of all these asking and asking about additional warstones.

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On 7/13/2020 at 8:15 AM, Anagram said:

Man, i've got two days a week to MAYBE be able to do any TW or arenas. Only time I can do gvg is on the second match of saturday/sunday, and only if I get off work early AND if the guild im in makes it past the first or third matches, which rarely happens. If warstones were on the altar, or even gem altar, it wouldnt be an issue at all, because then i could go hard with gearaing classes instead of being softlocked into 2.

If you want a way to throw real life money at the game to get war stones then buy AP -> sell EC/129 Coins -> Buy Glory Gift Bags.
Problem solved in that regard.

On another note, I do think that there should be a PvE way to obtain warstones. Maybe introduce a daily or every other day quest (maybe kill 0/10 dungeon bosses from a few dungeons [could be randomized]). Warstones are hard to get and cape achievements do take forever. I do understand that it shouldn't be an easy grind, but even from playing almost every day since the beginning of the server and doing tw/gvg/arena the cape achievements aren't even close to being done.

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