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Dismantle and Re-Roll Legendary Items

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Greetings to everyone! I had been busy so hadn't been able to play.. but I'm back and I have seen a lot of things looking a bit down. Prices on Legendary items have drop crazy low. Yes it's a server where things shouldn't be as hard like other servers (thanks btw VGN <3), but in my opinion, Altar items have been repeating way too much and people have to wait so long for an item they want because there can only be so many items per week on altars. The items that do get released have a massive influx due to the amount of Eden Crystals in game allowing people to get up to 5-10 unsellable costumes. The high amounts of Eden Crystal has happened because of the high demand on Mystery Box Items and because people don't want to roll their Eden Crystals on items worth 2-4k. Even the new items being released start at around 25k, and by the next day they would be worth 8k or even less by so many people selling it.

Saludos a todos! Habia estado ocupado y no tenia tiempo para jugar… pero regrese y veo que las cosas no se estan viendo tan positivas. Los precios de objectos Legendarios a caido bastante. Si, es un servidor donde las cosas no son tan dificil de conseguir como otros servidores (de paso, gracias VGN <3), pero en mi opinion, los objectos de Altar han sido repetido demaciado y mucha gente debe esperar por semanas o meses para que el objecto que desean pueda aparecer en el Altar de Cristal. Y los objectos que si se ponen en altar se sacan tanto que uno termina con 5 a 10 trajes que no se pueden vender por tanto Cristal de Eden que hay. La cantidad de Cristales a sucedido por la demanda alta de objectos de las Cajas Misteriosas y porque las personas deciden mejor no gasar sus Cristales de Eden en objectos que solo pondra vender por 2-4k. Hasta los objectos mas nuevos que salen inician a 25k, para el siguiente dia valen ya solamente 8k o menos porque hay mucha gente vendiendolos.

So there are multiple ways to go on about this such as making the ratios of legendary items hard to land on or decreasing the amount of Eden Crystals awarded from Mystery Box Item fails or rotate altars per day at reset... but all those ideas, in my opinion, would cause too much discontent and personally I wouldn't like it either.

Asi que hay muchas soluciones como hacer mas dificil que los objectos Legendarios salgan o reducer la cantidad de Cristales de Eden que dan por los intentos fallidos en las Cajas Misteriosas o rotar altares al reset cada dia… pero todas esas ideas, en mi opinion, causarian mucho discontento y personalmente no me gustaria tampoco.

The solution I propose is to make a selection of Legendary Items and allow them to be dismantled. This would follow the same idea as dismantling and rerolling Prime Items but I do think that instead of 2 Blue Essence, we only get 1 Essence per item Dismantled. This solution would allow for people to try and test their luck to see if they can change their 3k worth ugly legendary into something worth something like 10k or possibly more if they get one of those costumes that someone might really want. This also offers new players a chance to Costumes which probably won't re-appear 'till like 2019. This would also take some issues away with people literally asking for what was on altar the previous months and allows for the actual new things that not everyone has to appear on altars. Having the "Yellow Essence" from the dismantled legendary item tradeable would probably be worth more than the item itself. Another benefit would be that you could put 2 Legendary items at the very top which are considered "new" and non-dismantlable, and 1 on the second to last row which can be re-rolled since it is the one that lot's of people get.

La solucion que yo propongo es hacer una seleccion de objectos Legendarios y darles la habilidad de ser demantelados. Esto seguiria la misma idea de desmantelar y rodar los objectos Prime pero en vez de ser 2 Blue Essence, seria recibir solamente 1 Essencia al desmantelar. Esta solucion permitiria que las personas puedan probar su suerte y convertir su item feo que vale 3k a algo que quizas se pueda vender por unos 10k o posiblemente mas si alguien a andado buscando el item bastante. Esto tambien ofreceria una oportunidad para los nuevos jugadores asi ellos puede probar surete en agarrar los objectos que ellos piden, sin necesidad de esperar a que pongan el objecto que piden hasta como el 2019. Esto tambien resolveria el problema con la gente pidiendo cosas que literalmente salieron hace 1 mes atras y deja que las cosas que todos de verdad quieren puedan aparecer en altar. Teniendo el "Yellow Essence" de el traje desmantelado tradeable probablemente tendria mas valor que el traje que uno estaria desmantelando y se podria vender. Otro beneficio seria que podrian poner 2 objectos Legendary en la fila de mas arriba que se consideran "nuevos" y que no se puedan desmantelar, y en la penultima fila poner 1 Legendario que se pueda desmantelar ya que es el que mas le sale a la gente.

Blue Essence - Hat => Yellow Essence - Hat

Blue Essence - Face => Yellow Essence - Face

Blue Essence - Special Gear => Yellow Essence - Special Gear

Blue Essence - Menswear => Yellow Essence - Menswear

Blue Essence - Womenswear => Yellow Essence - Womenswear

Blue Essence - One-Handed Weapon => Yellow Essence - One-Handed Weapon

Blue Essence - Two-Handed Weapon => Yellow Essence - Two-Handed Weapon

Blue Essence - Assistant => Yellow Essence - Assistant

Blue Essence - Back Accessories => Yellow - Back Accessories

I have come up with a list myself as a suggestion and added at the end of the thread. While making it, I decided that it wouldn't be bad to add old costumes and a couple of the more recent ones... and by recent I mean like the last costumes that x-legends created. I also kept away from seasonal costumes, special reward items, mystery box items, VGN Created Costumes, and Diamond Altar Items. I added a couple of items that do appear in Mystery Boxes but only because those items are the original items which you guys have not changed so I think there shouldn't be a problem. I also left a couple of items which are very nice looking and don't appear often in altar which would be considered the "Jackpot" if you happen to be lucky and rolled to that. So I hope it's at the very least, a good example :) Any ideas, changes, opinions are all welcomed. ^^

He creado una lista yo mismo como sugerencia y la agregue al final del comentario. Mientras la hacia, decidi que no seria tan mal agregar un poco de los trajes mas recientes… y con reciente me refiero a los ultimos que x-legends creo. Tambien me mantuve alejado de objectos de festividades, objectos de premio, objectos de Cajitas Misteriosas, objectos creados por VGN, objectos de Altar de Diamante. Agregue unos objectos que si aparecen en las Cajas Misteriosas pero solo porque son los objectos originales que no an editado asi que no creo que deba haber problema. Tambien deje unos objectos que se ven lindos/bien y que no aparecen mucho en altar que se podrian considerar el "Premio Mayor" si uno tiene suerte y rueda a ese objecto. Asi que en lo minimo, espero que sea un buen ejemplo :) Cualquier idea, cambios, o opiniones son todas bienvenidas. ^^

Costumes: Total of 70 (35 Male, 35 Female)

Head Accessories: Total of 30

Face Accessories: Total of 20

Special Accessories: Total of 20

Back Accessories: Total of 30

One-Handed Weapons: Total of 30

Assistant Weapons: Total of 3

Two-Handed Weapons: Total of 30

Costumes:

Mysterious Gothic Suit (Legendary)

Mystic Gothic Corset (Legendary)

Mysterious Desert Walker Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious Desert Rose Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Men’s Yukata (Legendary)

Mysterious Women’s Kimono (Legendary)

Secret Treasure Hand Dyed Pirate Captain Garb (Legendary)

Secret Treasure Hand Dyed Pirate Captain Threads (Legendary)

Mysterious Tai Chi Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Tai Chi Robe (Legendary)

Mysterious Nutcracker Soldier (Legendary)

Mysterious Nutcracker Doll (Legendary)

Mysterious Groomsman’s Suit (Legendary)

Mysterious Bridesmaid’s Gown (Legendary)

Mysterious Comfy Pajamas (Legendary)

Mysterious Cute Nightie (Legendary)

Mysterious Floral Sprite (Legendary)

Mysterious Floral Messenger (Legendary)

Mysterious New Year’s Jacket (Legendary)

Mysterious New Year’s Gown (Legendary)

Mysterious Brown Leopard Cape (Legendary)

Mysterious Pink Leopard Cloak (Legendary)

Mysterious Dark Wizard’s Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious Dark Witch’s Threads (Legendary)

Mysterious Peach Demon Lord Robe (Legendary)

Mysterious Orange Demon Lord Robe (Legendary)

Mysterious Peach Banshee Costume (Legendary)

Mysterious Orange Banshee Costume (Legendary)

Mysterious Black Seaworthy Uniform (Legendary)

Mysterious Blue Seaworth Uniform (Legendary)

Mysterious Pink Sailor Gal Skirt (Legendary)

Mysterious Blue Sailor Gal Skirt (Legendary)

Mysterious Blue Ultramodern Armor Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious Black Ultramodern Armor Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious Blue Ultramodern Armor Threads (Legendary)

Mysterious Black Ultramodern Armor Threads (Legendary)

Seastorm Darkblade Ensemble (Legendary)

Nightstorm Gothika Plumed Gown (Legendary)

Mysterious High School Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious High School Threads (Legendary)

Mysterious Royal Guard Robe (Legendary)

Mysterious Royal Guard Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Ronin Phantom Costume (Legendary)

Mysterious Sakura Kimono (Legendary)

Mysterious Stylish Jacket (Legendary)

Mysterious Bunny Jacket (Legendary)

Mysterious Alpaca Wool Cape (Legendary)

Mysterious Alpaca Wool Cloak (Legendary)

Mysterious Ronin Chieftain Costume (Legendary)

Mysterious Kunoichi Costume (Legendary)

Mysterious Brigand King Gear (Legendary)

Mysterious Bandit Queen Gear (Legendary)

Mysterious Ultramodern Armor Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious Ultramodern Armor Threads (Legendary)

Mysterious Officer’s Uniform (Legendary)

Mysterious Officer’s Dress Skirt (Legendary)

Mysterious Prep Guy (Legendary)

Mysterious Prep Girl (Legendary)

Mysterious Trench Coat (Legendary)

Mysterious Fitted Pea Coat (Legendary)

Mysterious Courtier Garb (Legendary)

Mysterious Militissa Ensemble (Legendary)

Mysterious Taoist Robe (Legendary)

Mysterious Miko Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Masquerade Suit (Legendary)

Mysterious Masquerade Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Knight Armor (Legendary)

Mysterious Knight Armor Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Whipped Cream Dream Dress (Legendary)

Mysterious Modern Elegance  Suit (Legendary)

 

Head:

 

Mysterious Crown (Legendary)

Mysterious Daemon Horns (Legendary)

Mysterious Angelic Sin Lucifer Headwings (Legendary)

Mysterious Earmuffs (Legendary)

Genetically Altered Baby Peeper (Legendary)

Secret Treasure Midnight Kitty Ears (Legendary)

Secret Treasure Hand-Dyed Hair Bow (Legendary)

Secret Treasure Hand-Dyed Butterfly Headdress (Legendary)

Mysterious Gauze Sun Hat (Legendary)

Mysterious Bridesmaid’s Updo (Legendary)

Mysterious Groomsman’s Chapeau (Legendary)

Mysterious Alpaca Nightcap (Legendary)

Mysterious Eagle Hat (Legendary)

Mysterious Floral Updo (Legendary)

Mysterious Floral Hood (Legendary)

Mysterious Bridal Bloom Coronet (Legendary)

Mysterious Brown Cat Hat (Legendary)

Mysterious Gray Cat Hat (Legendary)

Mysterious Cheeky Bunny’s Hat (Legendary)

Mysterious Fantasy Magic Hat (Legendary)

Mysterious Purple Demon Horn (Legendary)

Mysterious Purple Bone Ornament (Legendary)

Mysterious Purple Demon Cat Headphones (Legendary)

Mysterious Big Mouth Shark Dolly Hat (Legendary)

Ruby Sleek Wig (Legendary)

Gildes Valkyrie Siren Helmet (Legendary)

Mysterious Bear Earmuffs - Elis (Legendary)

Mysterious Bear Earmuffs - Jessie (Legendary)

Mysterious Squirrel (Legendary)

Mysterious Golden Swanky Shades (Legendary)

Mysterious Golden Chic Shades (Legendary)

Mysterious Royal Knight Hairpin (Legendary)

Mysterious Royal Floret Hairpin (Legendary)

Mysterious Lazy Goat Wig (Legendary)

Mysterious Sleepy Sheep Wig (Legendary)

Mysterious School Beret (Legendary)

Mysterious Clover Cap (Legendary)

Mysterious Cat-Ear Headphone (Legendary)

Halo (Legendary)

Mysterious Officer Hat (Legendary)

Face:

Mysterious Aviator Shades (Legendary)

Mysterious Alchemist Goggles (Legendary)

Exquisite Plume Earrings (Legendary)

Legendary Blazing Eye

Tan Elf Ears (Legendary)

Mysterious Rocker Shades (Legendary)

Mysterious Seraph Headphones (Legendary)

Mysterious Rosy Blush (Legendary)

Mysterious Spiral Blush (Legendary)

Mysterious Heart Sticker (Legendary)

Mysterious Dragon Tattoo (Legendary)

Mysterious Phoenix Tattoo (Legendary)

Mysterious Metal Frame Sunglasses (Legendary)

Mysterious Dream Monarch Eyepatch (Legendary)

Mysterious Spectacles (Legendary)

Mysterious Crystal Rose’s Whisper (Legendary)

Mysterious Rose Eye Patch (Legendary)

Mysterious Eyepatch (Legendary)

Mysterious Radar Monocle (Legendary)

Elite Monocle (Legendary)

 

Special:

 

Mysterious Rebel Clover (Legendary)

Mysterious Strawberry Jam Sandwich (Legendary)

Mysterious Lipstick Mark (Legendary)

Mysterious Faux Pipe (Legendary)

Mysterious Whale Bubbler  (Legendary)

Mysterious Whistle (Legendary)

Strawberry Vanilla Popsicle (Legendary)

Mysterious Sweet Heart Lollipop (Legendary)

Strawberry Donut (Legendary)

Sakura Rice Cakes (Legendary)

Heart of the Ocean (Legendary)

Ornate Cross Pendant (Legendary)

Mysterious Bitten Scroll of Ninjutsu (Legendary)

Stealthy Assassin Dagger (Legendary)

Toy Cigarette (Legendary)

Custom Pacifier (Legendary)

Mysterious Bubble Lollipop (Legendary)

Single Royal Rose (Legendary)

Delicate Alpaca Bandage (Legendary)

Mysterious Good Luck Charm (Legendary)

Back:

Viridian Crescent Moon (Legendary)

Orange Love Surprise Box (Legendary)

Cunning Minidemon’s Wings (Legendary)

Sun Sprite Wing (Legendary)

Royal Peacock Tailfeathers (Legendary)

Mysterious Eight-Bladed Demon Wing-Black Spirit

Plush Pink Rose Wings (Legendary)

Acorn Ferris Wheel (Legendary)

Yellow Blaze Wings (Legendary)

Icegem Snowflake (Legendary)

Blue Wishing Bottle (Legendary)

Spirit of Glossy Black Alpaca (Legendary)

Sunlit Tendril Fan (Legendary)

Phantom Butterfly Wings (Legendary)

Demon Drake Wing (Legendary)

Seraphic Chestplate (Legendary)

Six-Winged Angel (Legendary)

Ancient Runic Wings (Legendary)

Eternal Ironblade (Legendary)

Divine Wings of Austerity (Legendary)

Fallen Angel Wings (Legendary)

Large White Angel Wings (Legendary)

Dark Templar Cape (Legendary)

Fallen Angel Gorewings (Legendary)

Blue Freedom Wings (Legendary)

Blushing Bunny Backpack (Legendary)

Brilliant Black Alpaca’s Team Banner (Legendary)

BunBun Backpack (Legendary)

Midnight Resurrection Egg (Legendary)

Skyroar Phoenix Wings (Legendary)

 

1H Weapon:

 

Sparkler (Legendary)

Zombie Herring (Legendary)

Pinwheel (Legendary)

Mega Scallion (Legendary)

Vile Helix (Legendary)

Poison Needle (Legendary)

Face Full O’Snout Cestus (Legendary)

Mecha Dragon Punch (Legendary)

Prestigious Adam Belle (or Bell)

Shield of Fortune (Legendary)

Crystal Wand (Legendary)

Futuristic Light Saber (Legendary)

Chocolate Sundae Cones (Legendary)

Indigo Talos Generator (Legendary)

Winged Gunblade (Legendary)

Oracle’s Key (Legendary)

Shadowborne Chainsaw (Legendary)

Kitty Mage’s Broom (Legendary)

Hallowed Be Thy Anchor (Legendary)

Masamune (Legendary)

Freshet Monarch Fan (Legendary)

Blazelight Cestus (Legendary)

Round Moonblade (Legendary)

Brutal Bear Paws (Legendary)

Demon Pirate Cutlass (Legendary)

Protestor Sign (Legendary)

Lake Laku Lobster Lopper (Legendary)

Plumed Fan (Legendary)

Carnation Cane (Legendary)

Joyful Beer Can (Legendary)

 

Assistant Weapons:

Stalwart Oracle (Legendary)

Lava Star Light Shield (Legendary)

Shell Shield (Legendary)

2H Weapon:

Classic Cello (Legendary)

Wyvern Glaive (Legendary)

Ban Hammer! (Legendary)

Sky Thunder Halberd (Legendary)

Azure Night Bow (Legendary)

Resplendent Flower Bow (Legendary)

Cupid’s Bow (Legendary)

Soul Sickle (Legendary)

Blissful Guitar (Legendary)

Cherry Blossom Staff (Legendary)

Sabreflame Slasher (Legendary)

Shadow Lord Sickle (Legendary)

Artrageous Guitar (Legendary)

Red Shadow Lord Sickle (Legendary)

Royal Guard Pike (Legendary)

Glass Wing Staff (Legendary)

Rock’n Rose (Legendary)

Bone Sickle (Legendary)

Sakura Katana (Legendary)

Rose Thorn Sniper (Legendary)

Dracon Rime Scythe (Legendary)

Dream Monarch Staff (Legendary)

Scythe of Judgement (Legendary)

Heaven’s Lambency (Legendary)

Celestial Princess Wand (Legendary)

Polar Frost Pike (Legendary)

Magical Bunny Paintbrush (Legendary)

Mecha Light Beam Cannon (Legendary)

Buttermilk Silk Umbrella (Legendary)

Bone Club (Legendary)

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I will discuss this with Vivi, It's not a bad idea but would have to be controlled as the servers main sustain is donations for costumes.

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3 hours ago, Jordan said:

I will discuss this with Vivi, It's not a bad idea but would have to be controlled as the servers main sustain is donations for costumes.

I really don't think it would affect the donations since we would still have to purchase EC to roll to get costumes, instead it would promote the spending of EC in altar because it wouldn't be a waste (Ex: spend 25k-30k on x100 EC, you get maybe 2 legends which only brings back 4-8k each, leaving you off better selling the EC that no one wants for that same reason). Also, having a high amount of possible outcomes when re-rolling means you most likely wouldn't get the item you want but that someone else might be looking for. And like I stated, I did not use any of the costumes that are mainly obtainable through donations in Mystery Boxes keeping that very same reason in mind.

Thanks for the consideration and I'll be excited to see if this or an improved idea of it comes out in the future :) 

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I support this idea fully, it would not only make spending ECs in altar more viable since you at least have the change to reroll bad legendaries, but it would also bring more diversity of costumes to the player market, we wouldn't see 10 sakura umbrellas for 4k in auction xDD

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For me it's abit a bad idea. Just think some legendary are cheap like 3-5k and other can be like 20k-25k. Imagine you dismantle a legendary at the price of 3k and then you get a rare legendary or boxes legendary at the price of 20-25k. The price of those legendary will decrease and kill the economy. And you will have legendary like on MS really cheaper than the normal price.

If you want to add this to Vendetta make sure you need dismantle many legendary for reroling one (like dismantle 5 or 6 legendary for one rerol) or (put a rate like only 20-30% to get the legendary essence). There will be no interest and pleasure in buying a costume that everyone can have. Think about the collector :)

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9 hours ago, Sephiros said:

For me it's abit a bad idea. Just think some legendary are cheap like 3-5k and other can be like 20k-25k. Imagine you dismantle a legendary at the price of 3k and then you get a rare legendary or boxes legendary at the price of 20-25k. The price of those legendary will decrease and kill the economy. And you will have legendary like on MS really cheaper than the normal price.

If you want to add this to Vendetta make sure you need dismantle many legendary for reroling one (like dismantle 5 or 6 legendary for one rerol) or (put a rate like only 20-30% to get the legendary essence). There will be no interest and pleasure in buying a costume that everyone can have. Think about the collector :)

The idea of this post was to make it so its controlled and has the chance to get some of the rarer legendaries over the cheap ones, and because you must dismantle you have to spend 2 legendaries for 1 new legendary. In the end because of how the arcane box is you could potentially get the same legendary you put in so its a bit of a gamble that people could take if they have a bunch of legendaries that simply nobody wants to buy.

Super expensive legendaries like mystery box legendaries would not be included.

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16 hours ago, Sephiros said:

For me it's abit a bad idea. Just think some legendary are cheap like 3-5k and other can be like 20k-25k. Imagine you dismantle a legendary at the price of 3k and then you get a rare legendary or boxes legendary at the price of 20-25k. The price of those legendary will decrease and kill the economy. And you will have legendary like on MS really cheaper than the normal price.

If you want to add this to Vendetta make sure you need dismantle many legendary for reroling one (like dismantle 5 or 6 legendary for one rerol) or (put a rate like only 20-30% to get the legendary essence). There will be no interest and pleasure in buying a costume that everyone can have. Think about the collector :)

If you could take the time to review the items I listed, none of them are worth 20k+ with the exception of like 3 or 4 which is why I said that it would be considered "The Jackpot". The Legendary items I listed are items that several people have because of altars from 2-3 years ago so I don't see how that would bring their price even lower if not many people are looking for them. So like Jordan said, no need to worry about Box Items or Diamond Altar items being possible to get through the idea I proposed.

And about the pleasure of being one of few to have a Costume to feel superior or different to the rest of the community, this ain't the server for that mate lol. Since VGN-EE began, they have not been crooks where they rob you from your money like aeria games keeps doing to their people by having awful rates so you could be "unique". I've been there and done that :)

For uniqueness, Vivi has provided us with an enormous amount of Dyes, enough to make the indecisive go crazy... so yeahhhh, making rates of success bad and asking for too many essences would just defeat the purpose of getting rid of the excess amounts of an item and providing a "consolation" route for it. You don't get what you want and you can even be trolled and receive the same item like Jordan mentioned haha so it's all just another gamble which is one the main themes in the game.

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On 6/28/2018 at 1:56 PM, Poofy said:

it's all just another gamble which is one the main themes in the game

I love and hate that at the same time lmao

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