Toryss

Make Holy great again

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Back in the day Holys actually had a job, meaning not only his buffs, but also his heals where meaningful. Nowadays i dont even use the single target heal cuz it doesnt matter anyways, everyone is at atleast 25k hp.

So why is that even a thing u may ask? Its because the hp pools grew and grew, while the heal was left behind in its state of scaling with lvl. I dont know what a good fix would look like, but id like to see holys being more than a buffbot again.

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5 hours ago, Toryss said:

Back in the day Holys actually had a job, meaning not only his buffs, but also his heals where meaningful. Nowadays i dont even use the single target heal cuz it doesnt matter anyways, everyone is at atleast 25k hp.

So why is that even a thing u may ask? Its because the hp pools grew and grew, while the heal was left behind in its state of scaling with lvl. I dont know what a good fix would look like, but id like to see holys being more than a buffbot again.

i think u need to wait until we get the next update of sps 

anyway, if we should do anything it would heal x% to the target to make it better 

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Issue is not only in holy sp, but also in fact, that supports are not needed in raids nowadays. Typical team: afk buffs (Morale, sader, holy, wk in case of zenas) and bunch of damagers. Raids are that easy so people don't need extra heal or another help - they need damagers to rush 

 

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Even if you put that the heal become 50% of the hp, holly is not going to work on raids more than it do. Is a waste of time be healing another person, when he can use a full, that cost only 35k on a NPC, and gain 1 dmger.

You can just make a "offensive" holly, so you can deal some dmg to the boss, but nothing else.

They only way that a holly will be needed is dissabling fulls on raids, and I hope that never happends.

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21 hours ago, Perse said:

Even if you put that the heal become 50% of the hp, holly is not going to work on raids more than it do. Is a waste of time be healing another person, when he can use a full, that cost only 35k on a NPC, and gain 1 dmger.

You can just make a "offensive" holly, so you can deal some dmg to the boss, but nothing else.

They only way that a holly will be needed is dissabling fulls on raids, and I hope that never happends.

Yeah, i think that 100% potions are actually a big problem to the game overall, considering:

-they allow u to solo farm a6 and earn stupidly high amounts of money (not that big of a problem tho)

-they render healing classes useless 

-pve content becomes a joke at this point

 

The clear biggest problem comes from raids tho, maybe dont allow them to work in there like it is in a4.

 

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1 hour ago, Toryss said:

Yeah, i think that 100% potions are actually a big problem to the game overall, considering:

-they allow u to solo farm a6 and earn stupidly high amounts of money (not that big of a problem tho)

-they render healing classes useless 

-pve content becomes a joke at this point

 

The clear biggest problem comes from raids tho, maybe dont allow them to work in there like it is in a4.

 

I disagree with like everything you said lul
Can you imagine trying to survive in a raid if you had only a holy helaing you? xDD
It's not "stupid high amounts of money" it's pretty balanced how it is right now actually.
How is PVE content a joke??

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No offense, but it seems that u didnt really understand my points, so ill try to be a little more precise.

The actually stupendous amounts of money are too high, but its not really a problem, because everyone has access to it. But it still is a problem, because the big amounts of money are warping the servers ecosystem nearly singled-handedly, together with erenia raids ofc, cuz both these things create a fuckton of money out of thin air (one blue soul is 200k, one avenger is 5kk, one piece of c25 eq is worth 15kk (might be wrong on that one)), this effect is called inflation and it effects all of us, its the reason why everybody and his/her dog has atleast +13 sps and atleast +8 eq, which isnt that bad but still a thing.

Yes i can imagine trying to survive a raid with a reworked holy healing me, cuz a rework might make holy a thing again.

PvE content is a joke cuz people did like 12-15 erenia raids an hour like 3-6 months ago, when c25 gear was best in slot, while erenia is the raid u get it from, doesnt make a lot of sense to me, i myself dont know much about the new raids, but i think pretty much the same will happen again.

But my main point still is, pls make holys useful/strong again, i know that this will slow down the farming of raids, but i dont think that this is so bad, considering an entire role will be worth playing again, i think its a good trade-off.

Feel free to disagree with me tho, its just an opinion.

 

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3 hours ago, Toryss said:

Yeah, i think that 100% potions are actually a big problem to the game overall, considering:

-they allow u to solo farm a6 and earn stupidly high amounts of money (not that big of a problem tho)

-they render healing classes useless 

-pve content becomes a joke at this point

 

The clear biggest problem comes from raids tho, maybe dont allow them to work in there like it is in a4.

 

With "Healing clases" you mean only holly

PVE content is a joke because we are overequipment for the current pve content.

you can farm on act 6 spaming huge potions, the only thing is that you are going to loose a finger if you are sword. Also a holly following you and healing while lure? thats not even an option.

They same problem could be for troyer, sader, warr... and lets not talk about dr, you can´t see it even on raids.

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6 minutes ago, Toryss said:

No offense, but it seems that u didnt really understand my points, so ill try to be a little more precise.

The actually stupendous amounts of money are too high, but its not really a problem, because everyone has access to it. But it still is a problem, because the big amounts of money are warping the servers ecosystem nearly singled-handedly, together with erenia raids ofc, cuz both these things create a fuckton of money out of thin air (one blue soul is 200k, one avenger is 5kk, one piece of c25 eq is worth 15kk (might be wrong on that one)), this effect is called inflation and it effects all of us, its the reason why everybody and his/her dog has atleast +13 sps and atleast +8 eq, which isnt that bad but still a thing.

Yes i can imagine trying to survive a raid with a reworked holy healing me, cuz a rework might make holy a thing again.

PvE content is a joke cuz people did like 12-15 erenia raids an hour like 3-6 months ago, when c25 gear was best in slot, while erenia is the raid u get it from, doesnt make a lot of sense to me, i myself dont know much about the new raids, but i think pretty much the same will happen again.

But my main point still is, pls make holys useful/strong again, i know that this will slow down the farming of raids, but i dont think that this is so bad, considering an entire role will be worth playing again, i think its a good trade-off.

Feel free to disagree with me tho, its just an opinion.

 

you don´t even need healing on erenias since you can delete him xd

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2 minutes ago, Perse said:

With "Healing clases" you mean only holly

PVE content is a joke because we are overequipment for the current pve content.

you can farm on act 6 spaming huge potions, the only thing is that you are going to loose a finger if you are sword. Also a holly following you and healing while lure? thats not even an option.

They same problem could be for troyer, sader, warr... and lets not talk about dr, you can´t see it even on raids.

Nr. 1 Yes only holy, cuz holy is the only sp which is meant to be a big healer, so yes its only one sp, but its still a complete class

Nr. 2 Think about whats the reason why u are overequipped

Nr. 3 Never said that i wanted 100% pots removed from farming a6, i put my focus on raids

Nr. 4 Stating that there are other useless classes, which there are and its sad, still isnt an argument.

And yes we can oneshot erenia, but thats cuz we are overequipped, so that point is basically Nr.2

 

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20 minutes ago, Toryss said:

The actually stupendous amounts of money are too high, but its not really a problem, because everyone has access to it. But it still is a problem, because the big amounts of money are warping the servers ecosystem nearly singled-handedly, together with erenia raids ofc, cuz both these things create a fuckton of money out of thin air (one blue soul is 200k, one avenger is 5kk, one piece of c25 eq is worth 15kk (might be wrong on that one)), this effect is called inflation and it effects all of us, its the reason why everybody and his/her dog has atleast +13 sps and atleast +8 eq, which isnt that bad but still a thing.

When you compare the money you make with the amount you need for END game stuff, it's actually not a lot.
I have had many friends who refuse to play here simply because it's too hard to grind for money when you start from 0.
Take a look at trophy system alone, this takes 1~2kkk to have an r8 trophy on average, which is a lot of hours for 1 thing on your character alone.

then you need about the same for each piece of equipment if you want to be strong in PvP.

I still have things I need to complete on my characters and i've been playing since almost the beginning.

 

23 minutes ago, Toryss said:

PvE content is a joke cuz people did like 12-15 erenia raids an hour like 3-6 months ago, when c25 gear was best in slot, while erenia is the raid u get it from, doesnt make a lot of sense to me, i myself dont know much about the new raids, but i think pretty much the same will happen again.

Not really sure what point you were trying to make here?
Sure the eq is easy to get, but that's not a problem. Because you waste a lot of money betting for a nice shell.
You don't need to be spending ridiculous amounts of money for a r0 piece of equipment like c45 bow for example.

 

25 minutes ago, Toryss said:

But my main point still is, pls make holys useful/strong again, i know that this will slow down the farming of raids, but i dont think that this is so bad, considering an entire role will be worth playing again, i think its a good trade-off.

Well, bash said he isn't doing any SP changes so, that isn't happening. Perhaps holy will be better in the official server changes, but I disagree with removing pots "so holy can be useful again" it's just an annoyance.
 

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9 minutes ago, Squizzy said:

When you compare the money you make with the amount you need for END game stuff, it's actually not a lot.
I have had many friends who refuse to play here simply because it's too hard to grind for money when you start from 0.
Take a look at trophy system alone, this takes 1~2kkk to have an r8 trophy on average, which is a lot of hours for 1 thing on your character alone.

then you need about the same for each piece of equipment if you want to be strong in PvP.

I still have things I need to complete on my characters and i've been playing since almost the beginning.

 

Not really sure what point you were trying to make here?
Sure the eq is easy to get, but that's not a problem. Because you waste a lot of money betting for a nice shell.
You don't need to be spending ridiculous amounts of money for a r0 piece of equipment like c45 bow for example.

 

Well, bash said he isn't doing any SP changes so, that isn't happening. Perhaps holy will be better in the official server changes, but I disagree with removing pots "so holy can be useful again" it's just an annoyance.
 

I see where u are coming from so let me answer one more time.

I admit that i didnt consider trophies, but they are that expensive because there is too much gold to begin with.

The point i was trying to make is that pve content is very easy, cuz u need 4 mins to do the hardest raid, like wtf is that logic :D

And yeah thats kinda sad that he isnt planning to do it, i still would like him to do so.

 

 

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I didn't quite bother to read all of this, but I also want holy to be more useful again.
holy is better attacking than healing, yep, To me, the heals should become buffs instead or applying a buff that recovers HP over time additionally

Playing a high dps class and just using 100% pots vs playing Holy and running around healing - there's no question.
At first it's fun to be the best holy you can be but after a while it just becomes annoying added to the fact that you're not contributing anything.

The question is then, should Holy return to being a relevant healing class, or simply do decent enough dps to be one of the dps raiders+buffs? Should Holy instead have other uses like more debuffs that are good effects?

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