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Hi , i'm here to talk about our dead pvp mode, ppl ask for lv100 stuff on nctw but it will make some normal classes too much better than others, so for this i suggest:
-Free Fortification +10 ( @Jordan have metioned it on 48 patch feedback, +11 to +14 doesn't take too much gold)
-Add lv68,73,78 orange sets from Armor Box to Fame NPC
-Add Elemental Gem Pouch which gives gem lv 1-4 (This for PoD)
-Remove Monster Stone from NCTW.
-Remove Vendetta Acessories (Free rings,neck and cape from V51 Patch) *idk if it works but if works pls remove it*
-Reduce CCM Cost from awaken gears that take more than 5k (Like Staff 11k ccm)
-Make 70-S trial 10 entrances (also can reduce the amount of Etherworld Crystal/Stone from 75 weapons).
-Change Snow map to Guardians Valley (Totem is so anoying cuz we can't fight against)
 

Normal Class TW is the best content in game , but ppl say they're not going cuz doesn't have salary,so its possible to ADD to NCTW buff gold +50% when killing an mob? that will make some ppl try it or no idk.

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These are perfect suggestion's.

I only disagree against the Totem as this is how it always was in normal class TW back in the days and I think its perfect especially when it comes down to TW's that your being 4 capped as it can be a game changer if used correctly.

I also don't think Elemental Gem's are a good idea for Gem Pouch. However, Maybe we can add some gems that are limited to level 80 and bellow gear that are free.

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3 hours ago, Jordan said:

These are perfect suggestion's.

I only disagree against the Totem as this is how it always was in normal class TW back in the days and I think its perfect especially when it comes down to TW's that your being 4 capped as it can be a game changer if used correctly.

I also don't think Elemental Gem's are a good idea for Gem Pouch. However, Maybe we can add some gems that are limited to level 80 and bellow gear that are free.

About Totem yeah its ok, i was cosedering pvp stay like right now, if have more ppl and good party maybe we can survive.

For Gem Pouch just add then to Battle Merit Shop, making then exclusive for  lv 70-80 gears.

Another Suggestion is Make Golden/Silver Keys (Awaken Set) 100% drop.
Add Sickleshot Bonus to Sabaster/Kison -S combo (Idk if TK combo can be good cuz 15% is too much and rings combo already help alot)

Add Gold Armor Blueprints from lv 70-75 to Medal shop from ur specific shop, but for a lower price like 50 medal's.
Reduce price for awaken items from 75 trial medal. (Exemple Staff need 600 we can just farm 120 per day)
And pls add Sakura Island with Normal Class Rules for testing stuff. (Add Crystal with same stats from Normal class tw, after killing this cristal disapear and respawn in 30 sec)f *free PoD into Sakura Island (Disapear when get teleported)*

*Changes*
(Some of then will help all kind of gameplay, but will be good for normal class tw)
-Change Blade Dancer halfkin passive 30% Malice Reduction to 30% Evasion or 2% chance of reducing 10% slash resist.
-Change malice reduction certificates:
Smile II:10% chance of regen 1% MP when attacked.
Hidden Aura II: 10% chance of regen 1% HP when attacked.
Quiet Wrath II: atacks 5% chance of remove 1 negative status.
Silence Prayer II: 10% P heal.

Thanks Again.
 

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hello

"-Free Fortification +10 ( @Jordan have metioned it on 48 patch feedback, +11 to +14 doesn't take too much gold)" not good ldea l Dlsagree bcs u can get lt wlth easy worQ D:!

"Add lv68,73,78 orange sets from Armor Box to Fame NPC
-Add Elemental Gem Pouch which gives gem lv 1-4 (This for PoD)"Really yes pls and 1-3 PhysycGems

"Add lv68,73,78 orange sets from Armor Box to Fame NPC" about thys he can put Gold set 78 ln the fame shop lsnt necessary craft lt

"-Change malice reduction certificates:
Smile II:10% chance of regen 1% MP when attacked.  u can get lt from class "TM-HS" 
Hidden Aura II: 10% chance of regen 1% HP when attacked. u can get lt from classs  "heals"
Quiet Wrath II: atacks 5% chance of remove 1 negative status. same beefore u can get lt from class "adju-Hs-Glacyer" and removal pot
Silence Prayer II: 10% P heal. " good ldea 

others ldeas: other 10%mov speed or 5% get mov50%speed // 2% fear //10%Hp // 2% reduc "magyc-Phsyc Resystences" or any other Race Passlve :3

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8 hours ago, Kyurem said:

hello

"-Free Fortification +10 ( @Jordan have metioned it on 48 patch feedback, +11 to +14 doesn't take too much gold)" not good ldea l Dlsagree bcs u can get lt wlth easy worQ D:!

"Add lv68,73,78 orange sets from Armor Box to Fame NPC
-Add Elemental Gem Pouch which gives gem lv 1-4 (This for PoD)"Really yes pls and 1-3 PhysycGems

"Add lv68,73,78 orange sets from Armor Box to Fame NPC" about thys he can put Gold set 78 ln the fame shop lsnt necessary craft lt

"-Change malice reduction certificates:
Smile II:10% chance of regen 1% MP when attacked.  u can get lt from class "TM-HS" 
Hidden Aura II: 10% chance of regen 1% HP when attacked. u can get lt from classs  "heals"
Quiet Wrath II: atacks 5% chance of remove 1 negative status. same beefore u can get lt from class "adju-Hs-Glacyer" and removal pot
Silence Prayer II: 10% P heal. " good ldea 

others ldeas: other 10%mov speed or 5% get mov50%speed // 2% fear //10%Hp // 2% reduc "magyc-Phsyc Resystences" or any other Race Passlve :3

I've been trying to invite ppl to play with me on nctw, most of then just prefet spend money on costumes as invest on this gear that's why +10 for will be good.

For the gold set on fame NPC isn't that bad but addding orange only already help alot.

For passives that we get from another classes as u said, i play as mimic with valor and 1 trophy with same effect, but still dying in 6 sec vs lethal arrow if get stunned once.

MP,HP regen isnt that necessary i agree.

3 hours ago, Jordan said:

I don't think changing passives and certificates for Normal Class TW is a good idea.

HP vs Pdps going to be broken.

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2 hours ago, Mark20 said:

add elementals geems seems a nice idea tbh but idk if on gem pounch maybe other way!

Add Elemental Gems lv 1-5 to Honor Stars/Battle Merit Shop and make then diferent than normal ones, so ppl can't use it to upgrade.
 

@Jordan its possible to add this item, and make it exclusive for NCTW Gears level?
Will help a little bit cuz some ppl don't know how to build normal classes and invest money on new things mean they can lose money, i know making fortify +10 already help alot but thing +10>+14 takes some money if u gear up many class will take alot of gold too.
(Before put in game test it with high level items, cause if works for high level ppl which play this game for 4 years+ will have like 100+ weap +14 full gem)
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Hi.

Talking about awak sets, since lv80 cant be used in normal class tw and lv75 sets are better than lv70 awak ( except heavy set maybe ) also ppl can be still lazy to do awak set, i would suggest add lv75 golden sets as a drop in those dgn from Roaming Hills / Crystal Utopia, since already a lv80 sickle was added as drop in FAE, i think is possible add lv75 golden sets in those dgns, this also can motivate those PVE players that farm those dgn to build for normal class tw since they have to farm those dgns anyway, this and free +10 forts would motivate ppl build for this tw.

Another point to talk its about Lv80 weapons, not everybody will use awak lv75 ones, some lv80 are better and easy to farm, but the problem is ppl always want get a good %, so i would suggest that Lv75-80 weapons can be reset the % using the same Esmerald Crystal Sand used for reset % lv95-100 weapons, since this is used for 2 different lv 95 and 100, maybe would not be a problem if work for lv75 and 80 weapons too, also if we need sand from lv80 weapons to reset the weapon % this would only be an excuse for lazy ppl to farm lv80 weapons for sands instead lv90-95 dod and lv100T pts are hosted everyday.

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29 minutes ago, Camelion said:

lv75 sets are better than lv70 awak

depends class u using, exemple luminary have diferent gameplay styles.
 

 

30 minutes ago, Camelion said:

Another point to talk its about Lv80 weapons, not everybody will use awak lv75 ones

If 75 awaken weap is better they will use, cause its private server and its easy to get it.

 

31 minutes ago, Camelion said:

some lv80 are better and easy to farm

That's why i've suggest lower the amount of materials, like staff 65 wich takes 11k ccm, or lv 75 staff which takes 600 medals.
Also some Awaken 75 weapons use S-Trial drops from WB, i've killed like 20 sabaster to get 2 items, its not that hard i'm just unlucky, increase amount of entrances or reduce amount of Micro/Energy Crystal already help alot.
 

 

33 minutes ago, Camelion said:

weapons can be reset the % using the same Esmerald Crystal Sand

I don't think this is necessary, we've alot ways to get lv80 weapons, like doing trials,crafting or doing Temple Arena(There's drop map scroll which gives u all weapons lv80, u can do it 10 times and u can get more than 1 map per time)
For solve problem with 80 weapons i suggest change lv 80 weapons to Bind on Equip when drop from trials or TA scrolls.
Also Jordan can change % from accuserd weapons to 120%(Weapons get from Valecia Medal NPC)
 

 

38 minutes ago, Camelion said:

i would suggest add lv75 golden sets as a drop in those dgn from Roaming Hills / Crystal Utopia

This can reduce the % chance of getting ring or neck from boss which help alot sometimes.

 

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2 hours ago, Camelion said:

i would suggest add lv75 golden sets as a drop in those dgn from Roaming Hills / Crystal Utopia

At this point I do not agree, it is like throwing down the effort of those who made trial 75 to get bp, just because people are lazy, will you give him the set ?, it would be better to sell BP through EP, or as they suggested with merit medals.

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12 minutes ago, zitorak said:

At this point I do not agree, it is like throwing down the effort of those who made trial 75 to get bp, just because people are lazy, will you give him the set ?, it would be better to sell BP through EP, or as they suggested with merit medals.

for sets use specific medal from ur own trial level, 25 medals fro head and belt ,40 for body , 30 for boots and gloves.
for this price ppl can finish set bp in 2 days.

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23 minutes ago, zitorak said:

At this point I do not agree, it is like throwing down the effort of those who made trial 75 to get bp, just because people are lazy, will you give him the set ?, it would be better to sell BP through EP, or as they suggested with merit medals.

Exactly, its like throwing down the effort of those who made trial 75 to get sets, and at this point thats our only option, being honest the main reason bc normal class tw is dead is bc ppl is lazy to get low lvl gear for that tw, u said that ur agree with infecttado idea and thats even more like throwing down effort of ppl that had to awak set by hard mode, thats even worst bc take more effort get awak set than a lv75 set, reducing the requiriments for awak stuff or even the free +10, but as i said, atm is our only option, im one of those ppl who made lv75 sets and built already and if i have to choose between give easy thing to the rest player and throw down my effort = pvp  or keep all being same requiriments or other suggestion that dont make it easy for the rest of players= dead tw, ofc ill choose the first option

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2 hours ago, infecttado said:

depends class u using, exemple luminary have diferent gameplay styles.

 

This, is just because on old times people were unaware of how stats are really calculated and the meta was way different Level 75/78 sets are generally way better than 70 sets. Some may prefer the 70 3 % triple over the 75 4 % double hit on the HA set, but the gems that fit especially with the new triple hit meta build which has changed and developed over the years, is considered better, whereby level 70 sets do not give you access to many triple hit gems. As for the extra stats the level 70 ''seems to have'' on the set effect, Those are considered green stats, therefore they won't multiply and at the end they will still give you less stats. Just old players had different ways of cert usage/procs/forts and considered 70 sets to be best, thus many players ended up thinking it is the best. At most i will say the level 70 set will give you around +200-250 acc, which is not a big deal as, eva vs acc pvp wise is broken and calculated very differently.

Out of this topic but just would like to update the knowledge on this, as many are stuck in old knowledge.

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1 hour ago, Deathoniak said:

This, is just because on old times people were unaware of how stats are really calculated and the meta was way different Level 75/78 sets are generally way better than 70 sets. Some may prefer the 70 3 % triple over the 75 4 % double hit on the HA set, but the gems that fit especially with the new triple hit meta build which has changed and developed over the years, is considered better, whereby level 70 sets do not give you access to many triple hit gems. As for the extra stats the level 70 ''seems to have'' on the set effect, Those are considered green stats, therefore they won't multiply and at the end they will still give you less stats. Just old players had different ways of cert usage/procs/forts and considered 70 sets to be best, thus many players ended up thinking it is the best. At most i will say the level 70 set will give you around +200-250 acc, which is not a big deal as, eva vs acc pvp wise is broken and calculated very differently.

Out of this topic but just would like to update the knowledge on this, as many are stuck in old knowledge.

I remember when u said about 78 set for lumy and i've ignored it, now im trying to make this one😂 but eva works good on NCTW sometimes i evade 5-6 consecutive hits but yeah 75-78 sets is better for many classes

@Jordan can u add tower gems which works only on NCTW gears and dont work with another one from st/dl with same effect? I've tons of mini reactor but for demon crtstal still hard to get it.

 

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8 hours ago, Camelion said:

u said that ur agree with infecttado idea and thats even more like throwing down effort of ppl that had to awak set by hard mode

I agreed to get the bp (which is sometimes not easy to obtain from trials) with medals or ep (or the method that is necessary). One suggestion that would contribute to your idea would be to get the set in dgn but with% 100, if you want a higher% => do trial.
If you give everything so easy to obtain, then they will ask for a fortified set +14 (free) xD

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9 hours ago, infecttado said:

@Jordan can u add tower gems which works only on NCTW gears and dont work with another one from st/dl with same effect? I've tons of mini reactor but for demon crtstal still hard to get it.

i think there much work to do, if we need to do a old moments better if sets have non tower gems, maybe get +10  at maximun for fortification  so dmg will be less than get +14

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4 hours ago, Mark20 said:

i think there much work to do, if we need to do a old moments better if sets have non tower gems, maybe get +10  at maximun for fortification  so dmg will be less than get +14

I've ''spam'' suggestion here cause i'm just trying to give max information for this ''rework'' so jordan can chose and think about all of then.
Idk if making +10 is good, cause ppl doesn't have problems with +14.
 

 

16 hours ago, Camelion said:

I thought this post was for give suggestions/ideas, not to argue abt everything Infecttado lol

but suggestion/ideas can make give good point something and bad point to other way.
I'm suggesting and talk about everthing cause is the only content i care on vendetta now and most of players doesn't like to talk about it.
 

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in the tw normal class I think the best idea would be to make the tw with teams 65 that cap is the best to do pvp with normal class and they should analyze the option of giving sets and weapons 65 + 10 already ready so we would only put gems, charms, bonuses, this would also be useful for new people who are just starting because since this chapter begins to make them more difficult, you could also add a queue of normal class.

they could also evaluate adding a system of reward points or winning medals that you can exchange for good costume rewards, ec, ep, potions, in pvp, every tw won from your side 10 medals if you lose 5, in arena 5 if you win and 3 or 2 if you lose, obviously there should not be many medals for the prizes, so it would help people want to make pvp and have a more active server and make some more gold for new players, I'm suggesting this because obviously pvp is the weakest point of this server and the one that most interests most
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3 hours ago, El Innombrable said:

65 that cap is the best to do pvp

On this cap classes like Inquisitor,Luminary,DK,Sage was not released so this can kill some classes, create content for this still bad idea , cause these classes are made to their specific level cap, nerf or buff any class on this cap will just kill the essence.
Just keep idea from lv 80 cap , with some changes to gear up, i'm not able to refuse ur idea and its not what i'm trying to do, i'm just saying this cap can't be possible for some classes.

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@Jordan thank you very much for the changes, help alot , idk if ppl trying but it motivated many ppl.
But can u change Normal Class TW time to 8pm server time? cause don't have many ppl online at this time, and for brazilians is a little bit hard , its exacly time ppl coming back from work/school, 8pm server time is 1h 30min after 1st tw if i'm not wrong so this is good time for many ppl from south america.

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11 hours ago, infecttado said:

@Jordan thank you very much for the changes, help alot , idk if ppl trying but it motivated many ppl.
But can u change Normal Class TW time to 8pm server time? cause don't have many ppl online at this time, and for brazilians is a little bit hard , its exacly time ppl coming back from work/school, 8pm server time is 1h 30min after 1st tw if i'm not wrong so this is good time for many ppl from south america.

For this you're best making a poll and advertising it ingame, as Before it was a bad time for EU players so you'd have to get a general grasp of the communities opinions for this.

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On 8/31/2019 at 4:15 PM, infecttado said:

Sakura Island with Normal Class Rules for testing stuff

@Jordan this is really necessary , cause its hard to test without system rules and wait like 24h for 30 min test is too much, i know u have alot of major update items but can consider this one?

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