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Thank you Nova, it was good times nonetheless. Your will find your place out there as I have always said you have great talent. Gonna miss you and your talent though I got to be honest.
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@DrApple No there isn't really a way to implement a game mechanic to check for when you were last pulled and set a timer or anything of the like to prevent a new pull. This would be code base oriented and this isn't possible for us. The only way to limit pulls in any way is using the system of Cooldowns. Which, in a 1V1 sure if the CD was set so there was some sort of delay or gap between 1 pull and the next, but let's look at when there is 2 WH there. You can't test for a pull and act on this information.
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Just cause faction change and AK lowered numbers wasn't dont at the same time doesnt mean it is a good or bad solution. Plus it is an opinion, plus to do faction changes is not exactly an easy procedure, nor is constantly updating the numbers there would have to be significant tracking done. This is just more overhead on the game staff specially Vivi and Bash. See we keep looking at using bandages to fix things rather than a cure. The cure is more people and loyal ones that feel like a family feel they belong. We can all day add numbers or subtract them or faction change til the hard drives crash. It isnt a solution that is long term and in fact in many games that suffered the same issues that we face server merges server splits faction changes this has always shown to be a system that just doesnt do all that much good if any at all. I can see how you would think that it would work, but sadly the moment someone that is needed in the AK DC or crash then that faction will suffer and I feel that it will hurt FK more so.. If your already hurting when you lose a key member or two and that spot is filled with someone else, it all goes down hill. I am not thinking from an RG perspective here I am putting myself more in the shoes of the FK if anything but I am trying to stay in the middle and neutral. I just see serious failure from this as it happened before here and other games I have played.
I know I am beating a dead horse here but the solution lies in what I have said before get the players that have left or taking long hiatus back, or train and recruit new people. New friends or those newbies that are out there I see them.. Yes they exist, I have seen shouts from both FK and RG newbies asking questions and needing help. I help as many as I can, but I am just one person. -
Still this is the same issue just explained out differently it doesnt solve the issue. Why would people switch sides back and forth and get frustrated not getting in or DC and cant get back in. Then they FC to help balance this has time and again shown to not work. So why would they FC just to get the AL number raised to then end up in the same boat again.
This still is trying to work around the problem and not work the problem. The problem is numbers at that time of day or night for that faction. It is all about those time zones I can guarantee if you had a game that was only 1 country ever playing you would not end up with these type issues, unfortunately this is a international game. So we are stuck with the time zone issue that puts one faction at a disadvantage at certain times. People tend to flock together they do not wanna play alone.
So then what is the solution? Well it is simple but also hard. You have to recruit players for that time zone to play on that faction. I know easier said than done, but this is the end all solution. You just need to help the people that are struggling to help you. I often see new players just not get the help they might need. I have personally spent hours upon hours helping newbies and spent more gold than I can or want to admit helping them. If more of this was to take place and those lower geared or lower levels felt needed and appreciate rather than ran over or over looked this would help. There is an army, their just not geared, leveled or trained. If they feel part of a faction part of a family they will end up loyal. So it comes back full circle to the only true solution, the players must bond together as a faction and make it grow. I have played SB from the earliest of days and have seen the times when FK was dominate and when RG was dominate. I have also seen that the time zones also dictated this highly. It is still true today too, just a slight lesser degree due to player base. This is what needs to be the main focus, the player base and helping them grow with you. Not trying to band-aid fix things that will only fester the wound more.
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But some do not know all the alts or they hide so as a FK can you see every spot in RG base? Sadly no nor can RG. So seeing that Sand is in both sides you have to rival them and also know both of your main names... Some ppl have access to other players accts too. So then it comes down to IP address checking. It is a much more complicated issue than it seems. Yes and dual logging can get you banned specially if you abuse this over n over again. The problem is they still dont learn from it, I will not name any names here but there is many ppl that have gotten a temp ban and went right back to their offensive habits. Also not everyone records, so now your asking the community to be recording every AK cause who is gonna be there 24/7 like you said. Also lets say you was the one that recorded and only you would this prove that someone had a RG n FK one hiding some place? Probably not, also you would not see the entire map at all times to know what is going on. This is even hard for us GS even when there would be 2 FK n 2 RG on in a single AK. Great idea that people can report and video, just who is capable? Some peoples machines lag just playing SB let alone running a recording software or their harddrive speed and space. I like that idea make players responsible which they should be. We are adults we should know right from wrong, but sadly adults are just like kids we push the limits to see how far we can go too lol. As adults we also can take matters into our own hands which is why I suggest a longer term plan, get the faction to love each other and want to better their faction. Get them to want to grow as a faction and as a team.
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That would be nice unfortunately most of that is out of scope of what can and cant be controlled. I do rather like that idea that it could scale.
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That is what we are proposing here 20-25 is as low as it was before... Lower it to 40 sure that isnt as low but cutting in half is just the same issue on a different date and time.
Problem is they can still switch in the middle regardless, just might risk no spot. Or wait for a DC and take a spot then what? Same issue...
The problem with reporting to a GS is that it is one after the fact... So just banning means less players. As much as it might be a shock to players, GS dont like to Ban people. It is an option we take very seriously, we dont just go clicking that button all the time nilly willy. Plus we need the proper proof in order to really act upon that, and doing it afterwards just lowers the player base for even that week or two, it also doesnt solve the fact that, the BG in question had an issue. Yes I know we can not be there 24/7 and yes that indeed is an issue. Just taking a players word for who AFK'd or who dual logged is not an option, there has to be enough proof and that isnt a bannable offense in the beginning there needs to be a history of repeated abuse of this. This is why we have the ability to kick first to get rid of those afk and allow others to enter or to in a sense warn players. Sadly many players that have been kicked just come back and repeat this again. Same with people that have been banned they come back and back to their old habits. So a ban or a kick is not a full on solution either, there is some that just do not learn from this. Players can solve the balance problem, just that most are too unwilling to put in the time or effort. Make an alt on that side that needs help, switch faction and do not switch back, help people with gear, with levels, with advice. Keep those new players in game give them reason to feel useful and wanted. Get friends that have left the game to return, get new friends to start playing. These are much better long term options.... All comes back to Band Together as a faction. -
2 hours ago, GoddessSand said:
I've got multiple pc's already and was multilogging before they changed the launcher. However, it is that people will more likely switch factions via log out of 1 characters and log in on a different character to be on the side that will get win and loot.
The way people have been trying to combat the ak and nb balance have been to use FC which doesn't really fix nb or ak because people still have a rg toon or fk toon they just moved one of the many to the otherside and still have a toon that they could use in the side they came from. So, reducing ak numbers would limit people who can just switch in the middle. As for Jade's complaint of GS not being able to enter ak I find invalid because where were the GS's when fk had 10 people in nb or ak while rg had 30? Oh right rg side for looting too. See even GSs will care about being on the winning side and at least monoki is trying to push players over to the otherside. When I was in a clan playing halo on the pc and we had controls over the match on our server we forced people to the side with less people and kicked people who switched causing an imbalance and we even moved ourselves to the losing when they were out numbered. But it's all about the loot in this game.
I also laugh about losing players because they can't enter ak or nb, the one battle they show up for. These people who only play end cap ak and nb do so for loot to earn gold to feed their lower characters and if all they play is for ak and nb, then why don't they show up on the losing side? Oh right because they want loot that isn't important to them for the rest of the day or week. Just lower the numbers, if a GS can't enter on the winning side they can switch to the other just like all the others who couldn't join the zerg side. If it's all about the loot put everything into tp, janus, and 2nd ark fixing that bg so people have to sign up to get it and you are forced into a balanced match given that people don't dc.
Sadly 90-95% of this is also invalid though, not all GS have alts on the other side to join NB or AK. Nor do many of us care about loot. I personally can take or leave the loot. Yeah I like to get something useful or needed, but I have more stuff now that I even remember I have. It is still an issue of a GS being DCed and unable to get back in. It has happened before for several of the GS in the past. Lowering the AK numbers just will not solve this issue. It was done before and it caused more problems than it attempted to solve. Again it comes down to two factors and only two. The time zone issue and the fact people are not willing to stand behind their faction. They desert and go to their alts for loot or they just simply leave or do not show at all. I think people just fail to remember the issues this brought in when the numbers were lowered last time.
So again it comes to my advice get people to stick together, get them to help one another. Help the lowbies level up, help them with gear or advice anything you can in order to get your faction numbers up. I dont want this next comment to sound like there is no help coming from one side or the other, but I have noticed that one side specially certain people are more than willing to help the lowbies out in advice or leveling something than the other. @Sand I know you have personally helped a lot of people on both RG and FK side it is very commendable. Helping with gear, advice leveling... This is precisely what is needed, if more people helped like this then there would be less new players that quit so quickly and there would no shortage of players, more so an influx and we would have people waiting to get into these BG's due to having too many. See again it comes down to the grind for players or the trying to catch up to the end gamers. If we all pitched in and did some work to help them, I know it is not fun sitting there all the time helping and you feel your the only one. Well speak up to your fellow faction if you feel your the only one doing most of this type of work. -
28 minutes ago, Shadow said:
I wouldn't called that "playing" when number was what I have heard today 35 v 18, is that really called playing or...? ;). Lowering numbers for example to 25 v 25 still gives advantage to RG's by latests bg's statistics. Besides more equal number is rly about more fun. That loot on AK or SG's reward is really that great to sacriface more fair pvp and fun for it?
About alts blocking others to get in....maybe one of the solutions would be, if finally launcher will be "fixed" to state as was before, when only one launcher could be open on one PC. That also would help a bit and prevent from multi log. Unless somebody is so crazy about to block others from getting into BG, that will run to the store for another PC xD.
I did FC cos all the time so easy winnig in zerg mode was just...well no challenge and boring af, lets try this shit for a while and see how it will goes. Again thnx monoki for bring dat thing up:).
Problem is people still can multi-log with multiple PC or same PC. There is ways around it always. The fact is people get their spirits down or crushed and then they feel there is no use trying. So then they often times switch for loot. This is the real issue, people dont like to lose and I understand that. But you can not win all the time and switching sides doesnt solve the issue either, in fact exacerbates it more. The two biggest issues is time zones and players not wanting to band together. If players truly want more pvp or better/even pvp they have to be the solution not the problem. Something like you did move to the other side to even things out is a step in the correct direction. The next thing people need to do is not desert your faction if your not winning motivate others to help. Do whatever it takes to garner interest in your cause, help them level, perhaps help the under geared as much as you can. Give them reason to want to join the fight... I know is isnt just one persons responsibility, but it has to start somewhere. If more people banded together rather than bicker or fight, then nothing is impossible. It is only impossible when nothing is done or you give up.
So my advice to any faction suffering during any time zone... Stick to each other like glue. Band together after all your a faction, you should stand behind each other.-
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2 minutes ago, GoddessSand said:
Also, what if Vivi fixed the portal out of AK so players can port out if they have to afk for let's say for more than 3min that way they can be responsible to not AFK in AK and people can see who is actually afking for reward or blocking players from entering that want to pvp and not AFK? Could AK time be reduced changing urka spawn times and/or remove the buff that the LS has so that players could choose to take out the LS before Urka spawns or while the other faction is killing Urka?
Who would be responsible like this though? Who would voluntarily leave with perhaps very little hope to get back in? As for changing the dynamics some of that is locked to the map. Stats of mobs can be changed for sure. Just the mechanics is more locked in that map.
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@Sand this is all true but if there is not someone there to witness it and see it first hand your just taking the word of the player to do a kick. We cant do this, we have to verify the offense. Also it is hard to decide which acct do you ban? Honestly speaking these players know it is against the rules and wrong to dual log, yet they do it anyhow. So a ban on just the alt account would not serve much purpose.
It is just a complicated issue that is for sure. Just honestly need a way to monitor this abuse if the system is altered in numbers that is for sure. -
1 minute ago, Versteckt said:
It makes no sense to want to point out the fact that people could change sides providing an unfair battle with this change, after all BATTLE IS ALREADY UNFAIR,so at least it would help if the staff showed interest in changing the PvP situation in the game that is currently ridiculous.
We do show interest in changing or trying to. The problem is multifaceted though, so there is no one simple solution. Players need to just stop switching sides and going for the loot purposes alone. We can not force anyone to play on one side, nor can we control who signs up for a BG or goes into an AK or NB. The players need to band together and go fight.
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8 minutes ago, GoddessSand said:
I think lowering it till both sides reach max value would be a good way to keep it balanced. If both sides aren't reaching max value then the value is too high. If one reaches max value and the other still has away to go to reach max value then lower it to force players to play on their alt faction toon to enter till both sides reach max value. If there's still slots open for people, the GS can enter still.
This is all well if the numbers allow it. However say you lower it to 20 and lets assume the average FK that join each week is 18. That leaves a possible and only a possible 2 slots for a FK GS.
Lets look at RG if say 35 is the average for RG to show, then leaves a -15 slots as a possible for GS if the others get the click first or RG GS gets DCed. Sometimes there is only a FK GS or only a RG GS. It is hard for us to monitor 1 side let alone two. Plus then your almost fully cutting out one side for a possible GS if these *estimated* numbers are used.
Granted like Nova said maybe there is a way we can force our way in, but I dont see that as possible to be honest. However who knows. And 1 extra person a GS wont throw balance off all that much. So lets say some magic happens and we get a 20 vrs 20 thing if 1 GS forced in and it was 21:20 or 20:21 I dont think this would be something game breaking. Just dont think is it possible is all. -
Hmm not sure since that map is locked the way it is, but if there was a way we could force enter past the numbers and port in. This is doubtful though.
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Problem with this is it was done before and many people also sat at portal trying to get in like Sand said all fine til you DC. So the biggest problem I see is what happened before in 59 cap is that players were constantly DCed or crashed and then not able to get back in. This applies to the GS that might be there to monitor it too. In theory this is a good concept, in practice though it doesnt work so well. I remember being a GS and being kicked out in 59 cap and not able to get in to see those AFKers or dual loggers. My biggest issue is the people that will dual log a same faction or opposing faction and blocking real active players.
This isnt speaking from just an RG perspective, but from a GS perspective as well as a FK one. If the best geared FK get DCed and some lower level or lower geared get in it could also mess with either faction. Sadly this is a hard issue to deal with, a lot of it depends on time zones as well which is just so uncontrollable. As for a suggestion for a fix to this I am at a loss, cause nothing has seemed to work. Peoples spirits get broken and decide it isnt worth their time to show up so they just dont. -
First off it is pseudocode not sudocode a non-existent word. Also along those lines comments are not pseudocode, their comments in common language structure that explains the code, pseudocode is literally longer and explains steps taken to achieve the results. Comments on your code can be as simple as // This section retrieves user input about their age <<< This is a comment and in no way pseudocode. However you win I give in and give up on you. I was only attempting to be helpful and be part of the team. I never once belittled you in anyway if you took it that way again I apologize. I sincerely mean I applaud you, as I have seen many people not capable of writing programs, I have seen them try and fail and I have even attempted to help further their capabilities so I was sincere in my applause it was not meant as sarcasm. Sorry you took it as such but I will end this as I didn't intend to offend or insult.
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Cause you aren't getting it you keep refering to code. You might have written a few programs in your life and I applaud you on that. However you don't know what happens after said code is compiled is what I am saying. Sorry for attempting to help you and others understand better. Also who says it was fully directed to you, and only you? The forums are for all to see and learn from as well, perhaps this better helps others to understand all that has to be done and how hard Vivi works to make this magic happen. You only assume I am explaining this solely to you. Sadly your not the only one that has asked these same questions, that relate to source code or modifications to it. So this was not in any way directed to you, but as a whole answering and explaining said process.
I apologize for attempting to explain this but you do not have to be upset that I did, be thankful I took the time to do so, also be thankful for all the work not just Vivi puts in, all of the SB team as done their parts. Seems you are thankful for her, but you forget that we are here too, and even these posts to help you or others out in whatever way they help are contribution to the whole. -
It isnt even as simple as that... It isnt actual script that is being used it is numerical in nature but yes she is saving what she knows. She does not see things like cout << "Hello World"; // prints Hello World . Without going into a lot of detail, which would just make peoples heads hurt she is seeing the numerical output of the code. So it is not even a standard human language based system of code that is available. Thus there is not even an option to open any source code, just files that are output driven or input driven to the engine. If your at all familiar with hexadecimal, think in those terms not in a programming language aspect.
Yes she makes it as easy as possible and has backups a plenty of things changed and unchanged. So no fear there, just still a lot of work due to how it has to be done. -
@GoddessSand That is called a comment or comment section. There in lies the problem we do not have the original uncompiled code. You can only see the comments if you have the entire solution set. IE the Source Code. If I had the source code personally there is literally nothing I could not accomplish with it. I have been writing code for more years than I care to admit to... Vivi isnt able to read any of this original code at all. So no ability to see any comments to understand what a section is or isnt doing. See if I had the source code I would not even need their comments, I can walk thru every line of code and figure out what it does and doesn't it is from so many years of experience in doing programming.
This is why it is even harder and her work is even that much more in need of Applause on her part. For her to have changed files that really aren't quite meant to be changed in the manner they are being done is huge. -
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Yeah just leave right after a roll. Besides as @DrDieLess mentioned this is out of our control. Not sure there is anyway to let you ditch a party in the middle of a dice roll, without possibly having the source code, or if there was a work around possibly crashing the server or at the very least the party. Who knows the consequence in something like this, easy fix tell the leader right when you join the group to set the loot options or ask to be set as leader and set it yourself. Easier and then you dont lose out or have to quit the group for any reason.
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On 9/7/2018 at 3:37 PM, Endelium said:
Maybe this can be done more simply instead of looking ways to make buff/debuffs with simple tweaks. As my previous suggestion:Massive exp loss during death AND if possible make a very easy daily quest (like deal 1 damage to any mob? ) that rewards the player with 2-3 altered Mother's Miracle to bring back the player with the xp he lost during death in case he/she is trying to level up. What i mean altered is: instead of spawning the player in that spot, respawn them at nearest checkpoint and with hp/sp they normally spawn with. Therefore exploits in places like viledon etc during a boss fight wont become ridiculus and endless. Also make it so they can be sold for 1B ? In case they start eating item spots.
While this sounds good in theory that you die and spawn in a certain location. Without source code to implement something this complex might be impossible. First off you would need an item that you could set a certain manner to respawn you where you died at rather than the closest set respawn spot. While this is already being done with the current Mothers Miracles respawn in place, not sure you could alter the affects on it. Vivi might be able to create a MM that does not give back any lost XP the problem is these might then be spammed during PVP which could end up being a very bad thing. It would be too hard to control where these items would be allowed to use.
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This might be much more possible, however just to increase that would be detrimental for those that do not wish to lose said experience. When your truly leveling up you wouldn't want that big of a risk. Vivi said she would look into perhaps some sort of debuff that could potentially increase the loss on death during that buff/debuff, but you would never want to make the initial experience loss that high.
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@Armada Essentially this is sort of what Vivi tested. She had a buff created that should in theory gave negative base exp. It did not work as expected. While this is a great idea, the problem lies in the source code. If the mobs are set to give a certain amount per mob as a normal kill, then essentially the only way to affect this is with a buff that would negate a certain amount of it while that buff is running. This is what Vivi created and tested, which didnt work. Yes we can alter how much exp you receive per mob or even quest, but sadly seems can't stop it or negate it with some sort of buff/debuff.
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