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When cap started I had around 1000 stones. I've bought around more 250 stones since then. I've also used 12 coral sublime stones. All that was enough to +10: Zeus Rage Set x1 Spectral Pinion set x2 Heaven Angel Mace x2 (Sublimes used) God's Eye Sheild x2 (Sublimes Used) Blood Shouter x1 (Sublimes) Failing Star x1 (Sublimes) Hecate Newborn Staff +10 (Sublimes) Premium Safety Stones 218*250 = 54.500g Premium Lucky Safety Stones 222*550 = 122.100g Viridian Lucky Safety Stone 363*500 = 181.500g Ultramarine Lucky Safety Stones 235*700 = 165.900g Coral Lucky Safety Stones 244*800 = 179.200g 12 Coral Sublime Safety Stones 18000*6 = 108.000g Total: 801.200 gold That's around 750 USD worth of stones that we can math (Note: there are sublimes that came from rank (Crafting golden when Jordan makes Golden item x11 EP becomes more expensive than simply buying sublimes) and there's also stones that came from altar with some awful rate that would increase the cost, but I will stick with the numbers I can math now) Remember that we are on a pre awaken cap, and when awaken weapons are released, I will have to +10 another staff, bow, 2 shields and 2 maces again, and even tho Club x2 can't be awakened, I will need to +10 the Cesuts. I'm sorry. That's not my fault for hoarding stones. That's your guys fault for picking the 10% stones and simply refusing to change your mind about it. There's a total for 2 people happy about those stones: Jordan and Bash. NO ONE ELSE. Even hoarding 750 USD worth of stones, I need to buy more to +10 heavy set, cloth set, another mace, another shield, and a grimoire. (Thankfuly I give up on Samurai so I don't have to +10 one more heavy set and a Katana) Can we start complaining about reset scrolls being 1.2k? Because I've used many at this price. Prices are high simply because there's no +6/+8/+10 reset. So when you have Lck, M-crit DMG, P-crit DMG on your bow, you can't simply reset +8 status. You need to keep buying Reset scrolls till you get 3 good status. Add that with the fact it keeps going out of altar and it has some really shit rate on altar, prices are going up. You can't simply blame players for that. A Item will never increase from 200g to 1200g just because of players greedy. No one is rich enough to inflate the market that much in classic. You and Jordan knows that I have 0 problem blaming the players for the problems they create for themselves. But that's clearly not the case when it comes to +10 and reseting stuff. That's 100% on VGN hands. Its their choice, you guys are the one profiting hundreds of dollars with this. You know there's a problem on server. You tried to fix by adding Viridians on lower tiers of altar. I know you guys were at least trying to fix, which is better than doing nothing. But it was obviously that wasn't even close to enough. Gives F2P +6 items after farming for hours in dungeons. Increase demand for +8/+10 stones making F2P fight a unfair battle for those stunes with VGN Spenders. Increases demand of reset scrolls and fixes nothing. You can wipe the stones, you can make then lower on altar, you can blame players greedy. Unless you guys gave up on having 20 coral stones failing to +10 a set piece, nothing will change.

Yes, I agree, wiping stones would break the server. Making those people who raise prices everyday use a bit their brain would make everything better. Prices are going up to the stars EPs weren't even in altar for 2-3 weeks and were for 550g-600g, now that those "EPs" are in altar, you find them for 650g. Can someone explain me the theory behind this? A more common item costs more than a rare one? Is this even a game anymore? VSS were cheaper before the change, now people have raised the price for no reason at all. 250g before altar changes, 350g now. No seriously hello?

This whole post is funny, we are still discussing things that have been told in older posts already and still we have no solution. The economy is disgustingly bad for a private server because its worse than other main servers ( before some1 pin this sentence I know you dont care about being compared). VLSS were 350g before the introduction of the GM's solution of making VSS in lower rows which still have low rate of landing on them for an example I tried 20 EC for every altar change and the max I got was 3 VSS if we do math its cheaper to buy them. at this moment VSS cost 350 while VLSS reached 450. so the solution actually made the matter worst because no1 cares about VSS when they can buy SS for the same price and they can be used on every upgrade not just +6. Also since we might reach the second phase of the "Solution" which is stone wipe, just like how armor boxes reached 3k gold for the first 3 weeks of the new content if u wipe stones before awaken weapons that means 3 weeks of f2p players struggling in arena to keep up because the stones will reach higher prices. We can go on and on about the status of the game but in the end the GM's have decided that they wont make the same "Mistake" they did on awaken so we are stuck with this situation because its post number 10+ that discuss the same thing. I will just be the same as 90% of the players of this server and turn to PVE instead of PVP because there I dont need to have +6 I just have to struggle with the drop rates .

Question: Why do people hoard stones? - Low success rate %. - High cost and prices are still rising up, so if i dont need it now i cant risk selling it to make gold cause i will need it later and they can cost 150% of what im paying for this now. - At +8~+10, if fortification fails, the % amount that increases in your success rate barely makes difference and its not permanent. Jordan, there's no way to implement a permanent progression system for fortification? Let's say that I'm a F2P and I farmed the whole day and bought 5 ULSS. My weapon is +6 and i failed all stones. So all my work were throwed away cause the RNG god didnt look after me. Basically the same logic were used to explain why driver system is needed, I guess? Idk if its possible but would let people use them knowing that even if this fails, this wouldnt be thrown away. Two of the reasons why people hoard them would be fixed and you don't need to change stones %. BTW, last week I tried to +10 my Ishtar set and failed 140 Coral Luck Safety Stones and got 2 pieces +10 only. 140 stones x2 +10 pieces I can't say I'm a f2p player and I may not to be the luckiest player but this shouldn't happen at all.

I think putting the Star DIamond Altar in so early was a huge mistake since that is what raised the EC prises to 100g+ from usually ~80g. Of course people willl sell the items from Altar more expensive if ECs are more expensive BUT it's also the people that "have too much gold" that simply buy items so overpriced. See for example Roger Enchant cests II, they are bought by a few people for 800g ea right now which everybody knows is simply insane ~ You can't just pinpoint it to the Devs / Sellers / Buyers since it's a constant flow inbetween all of them being dumb sometimes tbh. sure Devs will try to do things that make people cash more / sure people always try to make the most gold off of selling stuff / sure there always are some people with enough gold that are desperate enough to buy stuff way overpriced. I will stand with my point tho that the Star Diamond Altar pretty muich started things going "out of hand"

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wich wouldn't be a bad thing since those beautiful creators of the original game used a randomizer to make items for this game