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BTW most guilds don't want to level to 6 because it consumes to much gold to do fame using foundry/alchemy lab and to much time doing it with QGs So people either start thinking about how to fix it as a community or accept the fact you have to pay 1000% tax until they feel like lowering it. (And in case people don't know, crafting stuff in other guild give them fame so it's possible to pick 2 guilds to level up even without joining it [I know this should be obvious, but I saw some 5+ years experienced people that didn't knew about that])

GMs shouldn't get invovled with this simply because people can put whatever the tax they want. Do I like that they are using this high taxes? No. But they are the one who spent their time leveling guild and now they're trying to profit with everything they have protected by 1000% tax, so we have to choose to either buy from them or crafting with this tax. We have several ways to respond to that: Leveling other guilds to 6 with lower taxes, so people stop using their foundry, leveling other guilds to 6 with same tax so they have to agree with lowering it or paying same tax to use or even refusing to sell stuff to SD members or sell it with 10x normal price. They're profiting from people lazyness to level up other guilds. We could pick 2 guilds to level up to 6 with farm/mine/altar/alchemylab/magicpool/fundry as a community. I know it requires a lot of gold and/or time but it requires less gold than keep buying overpriced stuff from people who control the only level 6 guild, if everyone start to help. That's way more resonable than asking GMs to fix a problem we are creating ourselves..

I think tbh this is a player issue rather than a guild issue and if you take away there abillity to set high tax it will just result in people getting toxic with other things like telling there guild at x time we're going to put up this npc for 1hr then we'll remove it etc etc. This really should be a place where GM's have to get involved as if we do then the next scummy thing a player does we also have set the standard that we should get involved then when we refuse the players cry out-rage about it and say we're bias or playing the favourite card. There is plenty of guilds active right now and there is plenty of guild towns leveling with less tax. So help them level talk to the leaders and ask them if they're going to follow suite with the high tax war. Just remember every guild is in the same boat, you can only have 3 buildings. If one guild wants to be asses and put there foundry at 1000% tax, what happens when other guilds do the same and said guilds need to use a Magic Pool or any other of the build types. With this attitude and like with previous servers it only lasts so long before the top guilds talk to each other and agree on lowering things. Happened on Aeria and on our Awaken Server.

I'll go deeper on why I'm upset about what is happening. First, I want to be clear on one thing : I understand the fact that the first guild to achieve guild town lvl 6 has to be rewarded. HOWEVER. I really disagree with Matt's explanations and I'll explain why. 1) Guilds are fully entitled to do what they are doing : For me it's a fact, not an argument. Being entitled to do something doesn't mean what you're doing is just, honest, or flawless. Futhermore, it leads in a situation where a few people can have everything, and the others nothing. I'm okay with the fact that you have to pay for what you want to possess, but it always works with an idea of equity => I'll make you pay the value of the item, and a little bit more to gain money. (here it's not the case) 2) Players are not required to use the guild town, and SweetDreams doesn't expect us to do so. Well you're right, we could just wait. But then you have to admit that a guild that can provide new content stuff BLOCKS this access to the content to any player out of their guild to make personal profit is selfish, unethical, and this applies when you're day 1, day 30, or day 365 after the release of the new content. This argument of "it's only 3 days after the release" is to me, again, a non-valid argument. So what ? The first days, is it fine to be an asshole ? No. This kind of selfish behavior just make a part of the community wait, it's being at your feet just because you decided it has to be this way. I believe it's not acceptable. 3) Crafting the lvl 60 sets is a waste of time. Here we go, more and more in the fallacious arguments. Already that you defend the ones who block the content, but to defend them you're now deciding arbitrarily what content is good or not and indirectly telling people what to do. I'm a lvl 60 player, and I want to craft my lvl 60 set that I prepared a few days ago because I'm enjoying it. But I can't play the way I want, for the reasons I already mentionned before. Players should be able to play how they want, when they want, as long as they respect each others. It's call FREEDOM. 4) 1000% tax rate was a common thing back then as a way to deter others players to compete. I can't believe you said that ! So, according to what you said before, those lvl 60 sets are pretty bad, except a few of them. BUT are they good enough to make you fear competition ? It's been a moment that you started contradict yourself in your arguments. If those sets are bad, this argument has no value at all. Also, a rule being a common thing a while ago isn't concrete proof of it being a good rule. Now that I reviewed your arguments, i'll display mines. 1) First guild to have monopoly on something has to be rewarded. Yes ! and it's natural. But as it has been said before, upgrading a guild town to lvl 6 doesn't seem to cost THAT much. Rewarding, fine (50% tax maybe, gg wp) ; 1000% taxing isn't a reward, it's pure greed. I'll go further in my explanation because a lot of ppl in the game were giving me this argument : just wait, maybe go craft your items in other guild towns, blabla.... but guess what. Did you see those other guild towns (Hello Endgame and LaRepublique) with a 50% tax ? They had a 15% tax right before the maint. So I thought a bit about that, and It's obvious when you look at it : they also have the npcs who sells lvl 60 sets bps. Of course ! People don't want to buy those bps with a 1000% tax rate, so what will they do ? They will search for others guild towns to get those bps with a lower tax rate. And those guilds, are taking advantage of the situation to go through our pockets. Now it's not one guild town unaccessable, but 3 (4 if we include 911) for poor players. Will you tell us that we have to wait again? Now that was can see this situation, is this argument "We need a reward" still convincing ? No. This situation is taking hostage a part of the community from playing, because a few selfish and unethical people wants to make benefits. - Now that I talked about my point of vue, it's time to have a rant. This morning, I wanted to enjoy the new content by making crafts, and when I saw this abusive taxing everywhere, I got upset. I shared my point of vue on the situation in world chat (maybe not a great idea...), while being respectful and non-insulting to anyone. Maybe I was naive, but I felt REALLY sad when I saw all those angry people barking at me, saying that I'm a cry baby, that I had to quit the game if the situation didn't please me, that I had to make my own lvl 6 guild and that I needed to stop complaining. This part is more personal, but I think it's interesting to talk about that too. For me, complaining isn't a bad thing, (it has to be constructive tho). But this morning, I wasn't complaining for the sake of complaining, I was denouncing an injustice. A lot of people were angry at me just because I was complaining, not seeing the ideas I wanted to share. In my opinion, complaining is the best thing we can do to make this server better for everyone. It also works in the real world : any world we live isn't rigid, it lives with us. The rules are the rules we decided to make and apply, and sometimes rules are wrong. It our duty as part of this community to denounce abusive rules, even if it costs a few of us to be disparaged or insulted. Please, take a step back from the situation, and think about what could be the best for everyone. Also, to infantilize me like that as an argument is childish and shows that some people doesn't have any relevant argument to share. If you infantilize or make fun of the one sharing his point of view, you already lost. I used the word "lost" here, because I saw that some ppl were apprehending debates as a fight, and not as an exchange between different points of vue. Furthermore, please take in consideration the part of the community who can't play all day or put all their salary into the game. Telling me that I needed to make my own lvl 6 guild is a joke at this point, not an argument. Players who want to have a little good time to enjoy on this server needs to have access to the content the same way as the others, without discrimination. To finish with this part, telling me that I had to quit the game if the situation didn't please me is at the same level of stupidity. (sorry for the bad word D:) . I feel bad about having to talk about this, but I guess I have to. Being this close-minded is revolting, but it's understandable coming from the players benefiting from this system, they won't want things to change. I hope we will be able to form an open-minded community who cares about each other during those difficult times. There is ONE Eden Eternal Vendetta, and making it a super privileged VIP club with only people who won't criticize anything would sign the end of everything (again it also works in real life). I also think it's shameful that a GS (Herakles) promotes this kind of behavior instead of promoting discussion and open-mindness. I want to thank warmly the ones who supported me, I also want to thank the ones who accepted to talk about this topic calmly and respectfully, and take care guys (Maybe my english isn't perfect, english isn't my mother tongue language, but I did my best)

@Bash I understand you may see it that way but trust me as a long time player this game is totally worth it, with a large community like gf it will bring about enough cash flow and entertainment for the VGN team. A**ia as we know them to do just milked the poor game and that drove away 90% of the community. As long as the game is managed properly you're bound to have a long, stable and fruitful run.. Just Imagine the amount of players that returned when they heard that new GF siwa server was launching with the idea that they undid all the wrong of the previous servers and that this one be balanced and properly managed... channels were so full youd get disconnected and lag out.. that's the strengh of the GF community .. massive... and faithful despte all A**ia's flumps everyone decided to give them a chance and well... eveyone knows how that went... just another cow to milk . Anyway I urge you to give this a go and you won't regret trust and believe.. this will be massive and everyone on here can vouch for that because our GF community is Massive!

There are a lot of problems with setting limitations on a guild's tax rate. It creates precedent for the future when players do not like what others are doing when they are fully entitled to do what they are doing. The guilds that are constantly grinding out the fame and gold to level up their guild should be rewarded, whether its through gold that will be earned through taxes or other means. Aside from guild repair and guild level ups, the guild gold is relatively worthless; there is no way to get it out of the guild for players to actually use. A maximum tax rate seems silly as the players are not forced to use these guild towns. While SweetDreams may be the only guild that is capable of crafting new level 60 gear, it is also day 3 of the level cap/content cap. You or any other player are not required to use their guild town in any capacity, nor do they expect you to at these outrageous tax rates. There will always be a few outliers that will use it regardless of the tax, it is evident in who's crafting certain items through it while being out of their guild (focus is on LCK 3 Fatal / Elimination gems with this). Be patient like most players will be and a guild will eventually level up and they will have a lowered tax. As soon as another guild with a foundry reaches level 6 both of them will lower tax, it always happens. With the exception of a few level 60 oranges and the accessibility to level 3 racial gems, the level 6 guild town is kind of useless anyway. The armor sets people are mass-producing to try to create a monopoly (which failed, because every member in their guild is trying to undercut one another and make any money they can) are not even optimal sets. You'd be wasting your time and/or money using these sets (there are exceptions obviously, but very few). Your input about the Aeria server and tax rates is just wrong. Every top guild had a 1,000% tax rate regardless of their "uncommon" or common NPCs. This was a common thing back then and most people did not complain about it. It was a way to deter other players outside of their guild from progressing and beating their competition.

Our whole guild watched this loveley conversation in chat @Adonys and we even tried to support your opinion cause its ours aswell. We appreciate your honesty and courage in chat, specially when it comes to an GS who actually tells everyone to fuck off, who doesnt share his opinion. And we all saw that in chat. I just wanted to thank you here for trying to make things better against such a stubborn horde of humans.

i could write much and to be honest i didn't even bother to read your post fully but 3 things: 1. People can play the game how ever the heck they want to and you are just trying to force your way on them. As people said multiple times in chat, sets are sold for 1.5k and even lower already. Just get one of them. You will 1000% pay more for crafting it yourself(blueprints + fails // stardust is 1k each atm so you get the deal) 2. Those people paid 55k for the guild level up and tons more for the mats to grind the fame itself, surely nearing 100k gold spent overall. They do own the right to craft a few sets and sell them first before opening it up to everyone(as i said before, you will be better off just buying a set instead of crafting it yourself) 3. Keep in freaking mind that we are on day 4 of the cap. You do absolutely have no right to complain about not having your stuff on day 4. For real. Calm the shit down people.

Your arguments are well formatted and I agree with your opinions, great job there buddy. ... I only wish people would just stop wanting to min-max on a classic server, though. I played with questionable gears for most of my time in Aeria server back in Cap 60, and it didn't hurt my experience. PVP was still fun and I was still efficient on PVE (this game is really easy when it comes to PVE, no need to min-max for that).